Posted on 10/04/2010 1:11:50 PM PDT by Amerisrael
>>How often does that not happen to you ???<<
LOL I ain’t goin there!
Well, it is written be not quick to take offense...rant on all you want...
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You sure twisted my question of intervention, to an issue of “force”, and “demeaning someone” which makes you a liar by twisting my question into something that it was not, in order to avoid it.
So you would not speak up as a Christian to influence a young person that was open to your influence, and being led to practicing Mormonism?
Yet here you are on this thread speaking up and intervening in behalf of Mormonism.
>>I say “war on Christianity” and you twist that to be “system of government in the US?”<<
You miss read my intent really, really badly. My intent was. The war on Christianity by the Mormons is inconsequential in the war we face today in America. Mormons are not intent on destroying this country. Islam is. If we do not coalesce in our fight against Islam and the progressives the difference between the Christians and the Mormons will be inconsequential. There will be no Christians and no Mormons since the Muslims goal is to destroy both in the takeover.
If they “never cease to pray to Almighty God to avenge the blood of the prophets” and are praying to a god that doesn’t exist what do we, who pray to Yahweh the true God, have to fear? They are praying that the god that they serve will have vengeance. If you believe that you serve the true God what are you so worried about. A false god will never defeat or take vengeance on the followers of the true God.
>>Yet here you are on this thread speaking up and intervening in behalf of Mormonism.<<
Are you kidding me? I am “intervening” on behalf of conservatives. I believe that conservatives, whether Mormon, Catholic, Protestant, or whatever need to stand together at this point to defeat progressives. I will stand with all of them in our quest to defeat those trying to destroy our form of government even though I think they are ALL wrong in their theology.
I understand why the Christians are on this thread, defending Christianity.
I do not understand why someone like you, that claims to not care one way are the other, are on this thread defending Mormonism.
Actually, you keep getting your licks in, against the Catholics, no Kumbaya for them, only for the Mormons.
>>I do not understand why someone like you, that claims to not care one way are the other, are on this thread defending Mormonism.<<
I have become convinced that, in fact, you don’t, and no amount of explanation on my part is going to change that. Have a great day.
The similarities of posting styles from the pro Mormonism crowd, is kind of striking.
Elsie, quick, 15 to go...
Are you talking about donuts? I mean one is two many and twelve aren’t enough. place marker
You are mistaken CB...read 7:14...where it is clear there are Christians who do come out of the tribulation.
Further....The 144,000 are 12,000 of each of the 12 tribes of the Israelites... will be Jewish Christians since they are listed from the twelve tribes of Isarael....some have said the faithful Jewish remnant...who will be witnessing at that time for Christ....others say possible the faithful believers who make it thru the tribulation. Either way they are ‘servants of God’ 7:3... during the tribulation time. Additionally they are..”sealed by the Holy Spirit”...to protect them before the destructive judgements of the four angels begins.
I lean very much toward them being Jewish Christians...God has always left a remnant of Israel throughout history
However... you will see in Chapt.7:9 A great number before the throne..in white...and v. 14 defines them as “coming out of the great tribulation”....”and He said...”These are they who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white.”
So you see that yes there are those who are Christians who come out of the tribulation.
Wrong.....it is an invitation but also no doubt for some an intervention...otherwise you cannot justify Pauls conversion on the road to Damascus, which was clearly the Lord intervening from Pauls intentions to destroy believers. Further there are many testimonies throughout history of God intervening in the affairs of men...both for Salvation and otherwise.... He judges.. and not with a soft hand as some might imagine..but his judgments are certainly just and true no matter His approach to each individual concerning their Salvation.
>>So you see that yes there are those who are Christians who come out of the tribulation.<<
I agree with you. There will be people who, after the Rapture, will become Christians. I didn’t say that there would be no Christians who come out of the Tribulation but it is my understanding that they have been killed before the battle of Armageddon. Only the 144,000 jews will be alive and protected during the battle of Armageddon. And yes, by definition, will then be Christians (actually Messianic Jews) but I was distinguishing the difference because of the Mormon belief that they are part of the 144,000.
Hope that clarifies what I meant.
Suppose CB that you worked for a company whose boss said
...every other company is his industry was 100% "corrupt" -- including all employees...
...had 100% wrong (abominable) policies,
and that no employee should join ANY of them.
(And, oh, BTW, he also claimed all such fellow-industry employees had apostatized from any legitimate means to continue operating...that they really had no "license" to operate)
So, CB, if you NEVER openly disagreed with these statements by your boss, what? You don't think his statements should cast any shadow on you when you defend such a boss?
(That in a nutshell, is what Beck's boss-prophets have been saying for 180 years...nothing Beck has openly disagreed with)
And yet somehow you don't see what Mormon leaders have done as being "divisive" to the religious community.
Furthermore, in this way, Beck matches Romney in failing to pass the leadership test:
'Cause if I...
..(a) was from a commonly regarded "cultic group"; and
...(b) proceeded to mislabel 75% of my base support's primary faith tenets & claims as mere "apostate" status (Note: 75% of people claim to be "Christians" in the more mainline/Protestant/Catholic sense--& frankly, this % is higher in the Republican party & among conservatives)
Then...
Conclusion: I not only show open disdain for my base, but betray my ability to inspire confidence in my ability to accurately define a major world religion. If I cannot accurately define a major world religion, what confidence do I inspire re: my ability to handle national security issues, terrorist issues, & negotiation issues pertaining to another world religion like Islam? (Besides, how are LDS who in print openly label all Christians as “apostates” any different than Muslims who in print openly label all Christians as “infidels?”)
>>an invitation, never an intervention<<
You had asked if I would intervene. My answer was that I would not intervene. Then you tell me that God intervenes all the time? God does, I don’t. Get the difference?
Don’t listen to him then. I, on the other hand, can and will seperate the good he does from any prostalitizing he may do. He isn’t running for any governmental position and consistently cautions us to not take his word for anything but to investigate and make up our own minds and follow our own God. That is not a threat to me.
Well that's just another lie...Joseph Smith very likely won't be in the same place Christians are.....he worked for the other side. Besides that the scripture is quite clear only one is "worthy" and it sure wouldn't be Joseph Smith.
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