Posted on 09/24/2010 11:31:46 AM PDT by patlin
That is such a blatant lie it's not even worth responding to.
In other words, all you've got is the unverifiable word of some anonymous guy on the internet. Typical.
Typical is your response as actual copies of the Indonesian laws at that time have been submitted in courts of law. This is none other than your trying to obfuscate the issue with your delirium brought on by an over abundance of koolaide.
Soetoro/Obama was registered in a public school as an Indonesian citizen by the name of Barry Soetoro and his father was listed as Lolo Soetoro, M.A. Indonesia did not allow foreign students to attend their public schools in the late 1960’s or 1970’s, and any time a child was registered for a public school, the child’s name and citizenship status were verified through the Indonesian Government. See Constitution of Republic of Indonesia (Undang-Undang Dasar Republik Indonesia 1945), Chapter 13, Law No. 62 of 1958 (all citizens of Indonesia have a right to education). The Indonesian school record, indicates that Soetoro/Obama’s name is “Barry Soetoro;” his nationality is “Indonesia” and his father “Lolo Soetoro, M.A. There was no way for Soetoro/Obama to have attended school in Jakarta, Indonesia legally unless he was an Indonesian citizen, as Indonesia was under tight rule and was a Police State. See Constitution of Republic of Indonesia (Undang-Undang Dasar Republik Indonesia 1945), Law No. 62 of 1958. These facts indicate that Obama/Soetoro is an Indonesian citizen, and therefore he is not eligible to be President of the United States.
Under Indonesian law, when a male acknowledges a child as his son, it deems the son, in this case Soetoro/Obama, an Indonesian State citizen. See Constitution of Republic of Indonesia, Law No. 62 of 1958 concerning Immigration Affairs and Indonesian Civil Code (Kitab Undang-undang Hukum Perdata) (KUHPer) (Burgerlijk Wetboek voor Indonesie).
Furthermore, under the Indonesian adoption law, once an Indonesian citizen adopts a child, the adoption severs the child’s relationship to the birth parents, and the adopted child is given the same status as a natural child and the child takes the name of his step-father, in this case, Soetoro. See Indonesian Constitution, Article 2.
The Indonesian citizenship law was designed to prevent apatride (stateless) or bipatride (dual) citizenship. Indonesian regulations recognized neither apatride nor bipatride (stateless or dual) citizenship. Since Indonesia did not allow dual citizenship; neither did the United States (since the United States only permitted dual citizenship when ‘both’ countries agree); and since Obama/Soetoro was a “natural” citizen of Indonesia, the United States would not step in or interfere with the laws of Indonesia. Hague Convention of 1930.
Pretty cut & dried to me. But then again, I never drank the Obama or the GOP koolaide for that matter.
My money is on vodka.
And I was going try to get curiosity to bet another $100 on this....
Bummer.
“1. Every citizen has the right to education.
” “2. The government shall establish and conduct a national educational system which shall be regulated by law.”
Notice, it says every citizen. It does not say every child. Now Obama's Indonesian school record say what?,/p>
ChildÂ’s name is Barry Soetoro
Citizenship status: Indonesian; Father, Lolo Soetoro, M.A.
Asian Law Digests Indonesia Law Digest13.01; Martindale-Hubbell(R) Law Digest –
Asian Law Digests; 1 Indonesia Law Digest; Section 13 Family.
Asian Law Digests INDONESIA LAW DIGEST 9.02. Indonesian citizens are required to complete civil registration, implementation of which includes completing formalities for and obtaining family identity cards and recordation concerning every change which arises.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/24898751/Barry-Soetoro-Indonesia-School-Record3
And for further proof, the Soetoro-Dunham divorce docs clearly states that from the marriage, there are 2 children, one under the age of 18 & one over the age of 18 & still dependent on both parties for education expenses. This further eludes to a conclusion that Obama was using foreign aide for his college tuition.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/9940006/Soetoro-Divorce-1980-9-Pages-Merged
=( Sorry, just felt the obsfucation had gone on long enough
LOL. Cobra dude, if you want to make a claim about something, the burden is on YOU to find the source. The burden is not on the skeptic.
Until you provide us with an actual citation to source, then any reasonable person will conclude the source does not exist.
BTW, expatguy, did you in fact ever say Indonesia prohibited non-citizens from its schools? You can resolve this dispute once and for all.
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Ping to an Orly Taitz whack-a-mole thread.
9 posted on Wednesday, January 13, 2010 2:48:19 PM by BuckeyeTexan (Integrity, Honesty, Character, & Loyalty still matter)
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All you've shown, guys, is that the Indonesian Constitution only gives citizens a right to education. So a non-citizen does not have a right to go to their public schools. That does not, however, mean non-citizens are (or were, in 1968) prohibited from attending public schools.
So let me renew my challange:
Show me the Indonesian law that prohibits (or prohibited in 1968) non-citizens from attending Indonesian public schools.
I submit to you that you will not find such a law, because it does not exist.
Oh, and FYI, the registration birthers love to cite so much wasn't for a public school, but a private, Catholic school. That means it's not an official document.
OK, so Indonesian citizens have a right to education. That's swell. What, however, is the source of the claim that non-citizens were not allowed to attend Indonesian schools?
That's a lie.
If it was established that Obama did in fact register as a foreign exchange student in college, there would be demands from Congress, the press, and the public for a full fledged investigation into Obama's birth records prove that he was actually natural born citizen. And, no, the Democratic leadership wouldn't be able save him or prevent in investigation under those circumstances. It would be like trying to stop a tsunami.
No statement by any official at the Hawaiian DoH regarding the "vital records" would be accepted at face value. Period. Actual documents would have to be released. They would demand access to the vault copy.
If it had been established that he actually had registered a foreign exchange student in college during the '08 campaign, it would've ended his quest for the oval office.
First of all, we know for sure he wasn't a foreign exchange student. Both Occidental and Columbia confirmed he formally matriculated at those colleges. Foreign exchange students do not matriculate, but merely register for classes as visitors. They only come for a year or two, and do not receive degrees from the US institutions they attend. They merely earn credits toward a degree they earn at their university in their home country. At Occidental, we know Obama was working toward an Occidental degree, and we know he received one from Columbia after he transferred.
Second of all, even if he did register as a foreign exchange student (which we know he did not), it wouldn't affect his eligibility to be president. Registration as a foreign student is not an expatriating act, so it would not affect his citizenship status.
If it had been established that he actually had registered a foreign exchange student in college during the '08 campaign, it would've ended his quest for the oval office.
Perhaps, but that train has already left the station.
http://www.unhcr.org/refworld/country,,,LEGISLATION,IDN,4562d8cf2,3ae6b4ec8,0.html
Now, there were other(private international) schools, such as that, that supposedly Ann Dunham was trying to get a job in per her statements in the passport records of Lolo Soetoro, but we do know for a fact that Obama attended Indonesian schools, not private ones that were vedry expensive. Here is a report from 2001. Why anyone in their right mind would take a child to this place during a time of revolution is beyond my comprehension. But then, I was raised as a patriotic American, not a communist sympathizer.
http://www.unhcr.org/cgi-bin/texis/vtx/refworld/rwmain?page=country&docid=3e2ebaeb4&skip=0&coi=IDN&querysi=education&searchin=fulltext&display=10&sort=relevance
where's your proof of that? Did they release documents to you that are not for public viewing? Are you that special?
As a concerned conservative don’t you want to know the truth about Obama.....
Keep reading.....
Oookay...but where's your source that non-citizens were prohibited from attending public schools?
Why anyone in their right mind would take a child to this place during a time of revolution is beyond my comprehension.
I take it you haven't looked at Lolo Soetoro's immigration records. He and Ann spent a year or two asking for him to be reclassified a U.S. permanent resident so he wouldn't have to return to Indonesia after his visa expired. The request wasn't granted, Lolo returned to Indonesia in 1966, and after another year when Ann couldn't get US immigration to change its decision, she finally moved to be back together with her husband.
But then, I was raised as a patriotic American, not a communist sympathizer.
That's a good thing, but it appears you also don't have much sympathy for women who prefer not to live in different hemispheres from their husbands.
The information is accredited to the U.S. State Department, however no link is given
If everything about SAD is so above board, why all the secrecy? Why not be proud of your heritage? Obama sure dfoesn’t seem to be proud of his or his mothers for that matter.
Of course there's no link to a source. Some birther obviously made it up, as usual.
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