Posted on 09/24/2010 11:31:46 AM PDT by patlin
Except it’s not true:
To: Robert Drobot
“Obama was born Aug. 4, 1961, in Honolulu, Hawaii,”
Has this been verified to be correct? Is Obama a natural born citizen of the U.S. as required by our Constitution?
In a county of background checks for almost any job, background checks have become a way of life. As anyone seen Obama’s birth certificate and verified it? Would you accept his word he is qualified to be POTUS as defined by our Constitution?
6 posted on Wednesday, February 07, 2007 2:21:29 AM by tiger-one (The night has a thousand eyes)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1780530/posts#6
“Unfortunately, you have no basis for that claim. In other words, you have NOTHING...zero,zip,nada, to support your contention that a cross-out name indicates a person renounced citizenship.”
- curiosity
Gotcha. What’s the matter, curiosity. Didn’t you know a trained U.S. Passport Examiner reviews the passport application BEFORE it is processed?
That’s right, curiosity. The US Passport Examiner has the option to reject an incorrectly filled out application and demand the applicant file a corrected application before the passport is renewed.
If the name struck on the application was a mistake, the Passport examiner would have returned to the SAD Soetoro to ensure there is not a misunderstanding about her declaration.
Since the name stike concerns a person being removed from her passport because that person renounced their citizenship, then a supplementary explanation is attached to the application to fully explain the declaration of the applicant.
Am I mistaken?
Haven’t you been “outed” as a troll on many occasions, jamese777???? (especially Birth Certificate posts.....)
Am I mistaken?
Haven’t you been “outed” as a troll on many occasions, jamese777???? (especially Birth Certificate posts.....)
Of course. I've applied for a passport several times in my life.
That’s right, curiosity. The US Passport Examiner has the option to reject an incorrectly filled out application and demand the applicant file a corrected application before the passport is renewed.
If the name struck on the application was a mistake, the Passport examiner would have returned to the SAD Soetoro to ensure there is not a misunderstanding about her declaration.
And you know this how? What possible basis do you have for this contention of yours? Have you actually asked a passport examiner?
Since the name stike concerns a person being removed from her passport because that person renounced their citizenship,
What makes you think that is what a name strike indicates?
Yes. Her name is Chiyome Leinaala Fukino.
“I’ve NEVER read a response from you concerning the TWO DIFFERENT Certifications of Nominations for Obama’s eligibility......What do you think, “curiosity”?”
Perhaps I am missing something, but I don’t see how this helps the birther case. Do you care to elaborate on why you think it is so damning?
The “short form” (abridged) Certification of nomination that met the requirements of some states said: “THIS IS TO CERTIFY that at the National Convention of the Democrat Party of the United States of America, held in Denver, Colorado on August 25 though 28, 2008, the following were duly nominated as candidates of said Party for President and Vice President of the United States respectively:”
The “long form” (unabridged) Certification of Nomination that met the requirements of Hawaii and other states said:
“THIS IS TO CERTIFY that at the National Convention of the Democrat Party of the United States of America, held in Denver, Colorado on August 25 though 28, 2008, the following were duly nominated as candidates of said Party for President and Vice President of the United States respectively and that the following candidates for President and Vice President of the United States are legally qualified to serve under the provisions of the United States Constitution:”
END OF STORY.
Now if the birthers REALLY want a certification issue to dig their teeth into, it’s Obama’s original signature on Arizona’s ballot certification form wherein he swears that he is a “natural born citizen of the United States.” THAT document could be used as an excuse for an investigation.
http://moniquemonicat.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/arizona-election-nomination-papers-barack-obama-signed-statement-he-is-a-natural-born-citizen2.pdf
In a county of background checks for almost any job, background checks have become a way of life. As anyone seen Obama’s birth certificate and verified it?
Yes. Her name is Chiyome Leinaala Fukino.
For Immediate Release: October 31, 2008
STATEMENT BY DR. CHIYOME FUKINO
“There have been numerous requests for Sen. Barack Hussein Obama’s official birth certificate. State law (Hawai‘i Revised Statutes §338-18) prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record.
“Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.
“No state official, including Governor Linda Lingle, has ever instructed that this vital record be handled in a manner different from any other vital record in the possession of the State of Hawai‘i.”
Passport examiners review the passport application and return it to the applicant if a mistake is found. Your theory is premised on the fact SAD Soetoro made a mistake on the application and it was processed with the mistake contrary to Foreign Affairs Manual procedures, circa 1968.
My theory is that a mistake was not made. The name strike is within tolerance per Foreign Affairs Manual procedure, ca. 1968, and the declaration made by the applicant is supported with a supplementary explanation attached to the application. The supplementary explanation was withheld by the State Dept due to privacy concerns of Barack Hussein Obama (Soebarkah).
But what if the mistake is corrected on the form? By, you know, crossing out the mistake? What's your source for your contention that such corrections were unaccetable?
Your theory is premised on the fact SAD Soetoro made a mistake on the application and it was processed with the mistake contrary to Foreign Affairs Manual procedures, circa 1968.
No, my conclusion, based on the evidence, is that she made a mistake, corrected it by crossing out the said mistake, and then the form was processed.
Now you are claiming that such corrections were unacceptable to passport examiners. Okay, fine. Prove it. Please cite the section of the Foreign Affairs Manual where it is deemed unacceptable to corrected mistakes by crossing them out.
My theory is that a mistake was not made. The name strike is within tolerance per Foreign Affairs Manual procedure, ca. 1968, and the declaration made by the applicant is supported with a supplementary explanation attached to the application.
Okay. That's your theory. Now provide some evidence. Please cite the section of the Foreign Affairs Manual indicating that a name strike is to be accompanied by a supplementary explanation attached to the application.
It’s in there, keep looking.
LOL. Is that so? Then why does the author of the blog deny it?
"To answer your question, I dont recall where I have said that there was or is a law that prohibits non-citizens from attending Indonesian schools." --expatguy
First off, let me repeat what I first said on the matter in this thread:
"The questions about Obama's eligibility started here in June 2008. There were a small handful of posts at FR before that claiming that he was secretly born in Kenya, but those only date back to March 2008 at the earliest, and they were generally met with responses by other Freepers saying that was silly."
Obviously I can't rule out the possibility that some random, isolated blogger somewhere expressed his own individual doubt. But actual open discussion and debate, rampant rumors, or questions that might actually be heard by someone who could answer them, those tipped in June 2008.
With that in mind, let's look at what "tiger-one" actually wrote.
What we do have here is a single person asking if Obama's proved he's a natural born citizen, and asking if anyone has seen his birth certificate.
But that's it. One, isolated person posing a random, unprompted, personal curiosity. He cites no evidence or even rumors that Obama *wasn't* born in Hawaii. There's no mention of Kenya or Mombasa or fraud or cover-ups or secret plane trips. He doesn't indicate that anyone else has questioned Obama's birth or eligibility. He doesn't provide any external reasons or impetuses whatsoever for his doubt. In fact, he gives no reason for his curiosity other than his own personal doubt.
And the response to his curiosity? No other Freepers shared his doubt. To the contrary, the only response he got was negative.
This seemed to be on the mind of "tiger-one" for only about 3-4 days too. He mentioned his thoughts in a couple of other FR threads, and you know what kind of response he got? Consistently negative, when it wasn't ignored entirely. Other Freepers simply dismissed it as the random and baseless skepticism that it was. And after about four days, "tiger-one" seems to have forgotten about it until October 2008 (based on a cursory review of his posting history).
And that's the kind of response you consistently find prior to June 2008: that the notion was silly. Only after June 9, 2008 did it suddenly turn into a popular conspiracy theory.
And so what ?
Is there a deadline for suspicion? Did hiding his background contribute to delay in suspicion? Did continued non-transparency give fuel to suspicions? Have the suspicions been answered by complete (or any) transparency and release of records?
I don't recall where I have said that there was or is a law that prohibits non-citizens from attending Indonesian schools
Which is not a denial but rather that he does not remember where he said it.... Keep looking.
In fact I encourage any one that is interested in Obama's days in Indonesia and his Muslim upbringing to read expatguy's wealth of information on it.
So far all that's been demonstrated is that at least one freeper was thinking about the birth certificate as a potential issue in Feb 2007.
Nothing that's been posted changes the fact that Jerome Corsi's book The Obama Nation contains no mention of the birth certificate issue, does it?
Nor does it explain the absence of any threads posted here about about Obama's birth certificate prior to the June 10 2008 WND article.
If you want to take issue with these two valid informative points, have at it.
Thanks for the clarification.
And your name is mud here, troll.
Which point is informative?
I simply brought up the point that it was discussed here before 2008.
Corsi didn't write about it in his book? So what.
Bammies daddy wasn't a Citizen, that in and of it self makes bammie ineligible under the NBC Clause.
As far as everything else about him it's all speculation and there have been some well presented theories here based on assembling what ever clues can be found.
That's the whole problem with this guy, no one knows his past because he won't reveal it.
Some POTUS.
I know, no real difference, but I wanted to be clear.
Incidentally, the other thing those old "tiger-one" posts, and the responses they received, illustrate is just how bogus the 'two-citizen-parent' claim about natural born citizenship is. Look at the responses he received, and multiple posters said he was eligible as they were simultaneously noting that only his mother was American. No one, not even tiger-one, was suggesting that his father's Kenyan citizenship made him ineligible by proxy, even as they were thinking about his eligibility and his father's citizenship.
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