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To: Abundy
I'm simply an attorney and history major that understands all the unconstitutional actions taken by Lincoln and his subordinates.

Alleged unconstitutional actions, counselor. Unlike Jefferson Davis, Lincoln had a Supreme Court watching his actions and with but one or two exceptions, none of his acts were ever found to be unconstitutional.

The rest of your post is irrelevant, I don't have to picture anything. The southern states would have lived and died based on the free market.

Your history has some gaps in it. During the four years Davis was in power he controlled the economy, literally nationalized whole industries, and seized private property without compensation. The confederacy was the antithesis of free market.

and the purpose of this thread, the gist of my post, isn't about slavery, it's about limited government.

And your desire to blame all our ills since the rebellion on Abraham Lincoln, justified or not.

without Lincoln, there is no FDR grabbing more power from the individual to the federal government.

Absolute nonsense.

Enjoy your serfdom.

Last time I checked Maryland was still part of the U.S., and deeper into Blue State Land than mine own home of Kansas. Are you anticipating an imminent move abroad to escape serfdom? Or you going to remain in the Peoples Republic of Maryland and sink deeper into serftitude than me?

238 posted on 09/24/2010 5:34:50 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur
Alleged unconstitutional actions, counselor. Unlike Jefferson Davis, Lincoln had a Supreme Court watching his actions and with but one or two exceptions, none of his acts were ever found to be unconstitutional.

Nice glossing over the "one or two" actions that were found unconstitutional...long after the war was over, btw. Which include suspension of habeus corpus and arresting judges and legislators.

Don't worry, I'll be out of the people's republik of MD very soon.

You, otoh, have serious issues.

None of your responses to me actually address my point...that Lincoln usurped many powers delegated to the states and individuals in the constitution...which paved the way for FDR's socialist lite policies.

I never held Davis out as an example, I simply stated a fact regarding what Lincoln did. You respond by trying to divert the argument to Davis' policies. That's a different debate.

You are no better than the first year law student we had in our office who told me that my argument that Lincoln ruined individual rights was a racist argument without having any facts to back her statement up. Well, at least you tried to obfuscate by shifting the debate to Davis.

as to my desire to blame out ills on Lincoln - those are your words not mine...if you look at my original statement, I pretty much indicate that I blame both Lincoln and FDR, with the edge going to Lincoln because he came first. However, he had lots of help in his cabinet and a pussy Supreme Court that delayed ruling on the legal challenges until after the war was over. But then when one of the defendants has already arrested sitting judges I guess you can't blame the SCOTUS for being intimidated. (/sarcasm)

Would you be so sangquine if Bush, Clinton or Obama decided to arrest a legislature or a judge that was acting in opposition to one of their policies?

I certainly hope not.

239 posted on 09/24/2010 10:30:51 PM PDT by Abundy
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