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To: christianhomeschoolmommaof3
All of the people picking Ishmael leave me a bit puzzled. Even if we assume that Abraham and Ishmael actually existed (their historicity appears dubious at best), if Ishmael hadn't existed wouldn't the Arab nations still exist, having simply had one less person in their genealogy?

It's rather like trying to eliminate the Roman Empire by getting rid of Romulus and Remus...even if they did exist, wiping them from history doesn't erase the tens of thousands of people living on the Italian Peninsula in the 8th Century BC. The Roman Empire is still going to exist, it will just have a different foundation myth. Similarly, if Ishmael is wiped from the books Muhammad will still be around in the 7th Century as will the Arab peoples. Islam would simply be slightly different as regards its (alleged) origins.

218 posted on 09/23/2010 8:56:53 AM PDT by Abin Sur
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To: Abin Sur

Ishmael isn’t simply one person in the genealogy. He is the beginning of the genealogy. The Bible says that from Ishmael would come a great nation. If he didn’t exist the nation wouldn’t exist. Nation in the biblical sense being a “people” and not an actual country of course. Here is a biblical reference.

Genesis 17:20
And as for Ishmael, I have heard you: I will surely bless him; I will make him fruitful and will greatly increase his numbers. He will be the father of twelve rulers, and I will make him into a great nation.

I didn’t choose Ishmael/Hagar. I was just explaining why someone would. The Bible is clear that Ishmael was a wild man that was never at peace with his brothers.

BTW, the genealogy in the Bible is actually the most accurate of any ever recorded.

Here is an interesting link:
http://www.forumterrace.com/Questions/Historically.html


222 posted on 09/23/2010 9:13:44 AM PDT by christianhomeschoolmommaof3
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