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To: aSeattleConservative

You are someone who cannot be talked to. I have told you previously I am against abortion and laid out why. Yet you pound me over the head as if I want abortion legal.

You can’t even accept the most basic of premises. All ancient armies had large camp followings. Wives, daughters and children along with women just swept up as refugees. They did washing, knitting, cooking and yes prostitution. If you want to read about it, read this history professor’s thesis:

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08028/852748-298.stm

According to her, the only thing that kept prostitution down to a minimum in the Continental Army was not Congress’s puritanical morals, but Congress’s pay to soldiers. The pay was steady and better for the British Army, therefore they had more money to spend on prostitution. Which attracted more prostitutes.

You want to poo poo the Founders owning slaves, but they did. Jefferson released his upon his death. However, I was not speaking to the founders morals when talking about that, but societies. Especially in the south, but not limited to there slavery was a widespread practice among the citizens of the United States.

Would I like to live in a society where everyone had the highest of moral standards? Absolutely. But I would like to live in a world where peace breaks out everywhere. You know, John Lennon. All we are saying is give peace a chance. However, the realist in me understands that is not going to happen, just like everyone is not going to have the highest morals ever. We should strive for it, but be realistic enough to realize it is not going to happen. If you are a Christian, then you understand that your kingdom is not of this world anyways. You make it as good as you personally can while you’re here, but you should realize you are never going to change it permanently. This world is evil and sinful.

As for drinking, as you noted getting drunk is a sin. Look again at that link I sent you and see how much alcohol was consumed at that time. They were buzzed and drunk a lot. Denying that is denying reality. If you would like to deny reality. It’s up to you. You are just like the left then. Stick your head in the sand....


23 posted on 09/23/2010 11:03:33 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: Old Teufel Hunden
You are someone who cannot be talked to. I have told you previously I am against abortion and laid out why. Yet you pound me over the head as if I want abortion legal.

Other than saying "it's the government's responsibility to protect life", you haven't really said why abortion should be illegal. Is it the fact that the unborn can't give "consent"?

While we're talking about the role of civil government, let's look at the 3 institutions that God ordained for the governance of men:

"The Lord established three fundamental institutions for the governance of men: family, the Church, and civil government. While these three institutions are separate spheres of authority under God, they clearly have mutually supportive, interwoven functions. The performance — or lack of performance — of each inescapably influences the functioning of the other two."
Link to Civil Government: The Negliected Ministry

According to her, the only thing that kept prostitution down to a minimum in the Continental Army was not Congress’s puritanical morals, but Congress’s pay to soldiers. The pay was steady and better for the British Army, therefore they had more money to spend on prostitution. Which attracted more prostitutes.

A few words about the General of the Continental Army:

"Washington didn't order Enslin's dismissal, because he saw the man has being socially or genetically inferior. He dismissed Enslin, because of the man's actions and how those actions affected the army as a whole. What's more, for Washington, there was something moral at stake. This wasn't a case of social elitism. For Washington, it was a matter of proper conduct and moral behavior.

Indeed, it was Washington who issued another order, forbidding cursing in the Continental Army and challenging his men to conduct themselves as "Christian soldiers." For Washington, moral conduct was fundamental to the success and value of the army. A good soldier was an effective soldier, and a good army was a powerful army. When you allow immorality into the army, you poison its cohesion and effectiveness. That appears to have been Washington's perspective. And that is what lay at the root of his dismissing Enslin.

Lest you think I'm overplaying Washington's sense of morality, recall that, as President, he echoed a similar theme in his Farewell Address. In that speech (published and not delivered), Washington declared that "religion and morality" were "indispensable supports to political prosperity."
Link to General Washington and Gays in the Military

You really think that a General that wouldn't allow cursing amongst his troops would allow prostitution?

You want to poo poo the Founders owning slaves, but they did. Jefferson released his upon his death. However, I was not speaking to the founders morals when talking about that, but societies. Especially in the south, but not limited to there slavery was a widespread practice among the citizens of the United States.

Every era in American history has it's dark spot. Slavery was theirs. Our's will be the fact that we strayed from the Word of God and allowed 50 million unborn babies to be murdered in the womb in a 37 year period (not to mention that we allowed sexual deviants to march in the street in the name of "pride", and in some States, even allowed them to marry; etc. etc. etc.).

Would I like to live in a society where everyone had the highest of moral standards? Absolutely.

Then hold others up to the same moral standards that you most likely hold yourself up to, and bring BACK laws of morality that had been on the books for upwards of 200 years.

But I would like to live in a world where peace breaks out everywhere. You know, John Lennon. All we are saying is give peace a chance.[Lennon was a communist] However, the realist in me understands that is not going to happen, just like everyone is not going to have the highest morals ever. We should strive for it, but be realistic enough to realize it is not going to happen. If you are a Christian, then you understand that your kingdom is not of this world anyways. You make it as good as you personally can while you’re here, but you should realize you are never going to change it permanently. This world is evil and sinful.

And thanks to the atheist agenda and Christians that are biding their time just waiting for the afterlife, evil is prevailing here on earth.

"The Bible tells me that God teaches my hands to war. And my hands are itching for a fight. I don’t want to sit idly when the heathens are taking over God’s earth."

As for drinking, as you noted getting drunk is a sin. Look again at that link I sent you and see how much alcohol was consumed at that time. They were buzzed and drunk a lot. Denying that is denying reality. If you would like to deny reality. It’s up to you. You are just like the left then. Stick your head in the sand....

A different time, different circumstances (a moral society with bad water filtration systems):

"What Kinds of Crime Were Punished? Crime in colonial Virginia consisted of many of the same harmful acts still seen today such as murder, theft, and disturbing the peace. Certain crimes that are not considered that threatening today were taken very seriously in colonial times. For example, slander [saying something publicly that ruins someone's reputation], public drunkenness and hog theft were major crimes.
Link to Colonial Punishments

But then, whadda I know.


24 posted on 09/23/2010 5:54:58 PM PDT by aSeattleConservative
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