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To: aSeattleConservative
"It's interesting how you like to "pick and choose" which of God's laws you want to enforce."

There are no peculularities at all about it. I'm not trying to impose God's laws on any American Citizen. I know how to differentiate between imposing my personal moral views on the country and imposing the views of the Constitution and our Founding Fathers on United States Citizens. While it is true, we are a nation founded upon Christianity, not everyone in the nation is Christian. However, all legal Citizens are Citizens of the United States and are subject to it's founding documents.

I do believe we need to live moral lives and there are ways to impose morality on society through societal norms. For instance, society should view women having babies out of wedlock as a moral sin or homosexuality as something wrong, sinful and out of the norm. However, I would not want to have laws outlawing either. Then we would become like the Islamo Fascists we are fighting against.
12 posted on 09/21/2010 9:54:18 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: Old Teufel Hunden
There are no peculularities at all about it. I'm not trying to impose God's laws on any American Citizen.

You did earlier. "Thou shalt not steal" is one of God's 10 Commandments.

I know how to differentiate between imposing my personal moral views on the country and imposing the views of the Constitution and our Founding Fathers on United States Citizens.

In order to understand the Constitution, one must first read the other writings of the Founding Fathers. One of my favorites is from John Adams who said:

"Avarice, ambition, revenge, or gallantry, would break the strongest cords of our Constitution as a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."

The quotes by the Founding Fathers on the importance of virtue are aplenty. Here's one from Samuel Adams:

"A general dissolution of principles and manners will more surely overthrow the liberties of America than the whole force of the common enemy. While the people are virtuous they cannot be subdued; but when they lose their virtue they will be ready to surrender their liberties to the first external or internal invader."

When we talk about the Founding Fathers and law we're talking about the following:

Law ultimately has a moral base. The moral base that the founding fathers of this country applied was not the moral base of secular humanism or the moral base of atheism or even the moral base of deism. The vast majority of the framers of our Constitutional system were church-going, professing Christians. Dr. M E. Bradford of the University of Dallas researched their church membership and found that 28 of those 55 delegates were Episcopalian, 8 were Presbyterians, 7 were Congregationalists, 2 were Lutherans, 2 were Dutch-reformed, 2 were Methodist, and 2 were Roman-Catholic. There's one, McClurg of Virginia, that Bradford couldn't find anything about and I haven't either. There just isn't much written about him. And Bradford discovered that just 3 out 55 could be called deist or skeptics. They were only about six percent of the delegates. Not only were those founding fathers actively affiliated with Christian churches, but they looked to the Bible as their primary source of authority. That should not be surprising Most of them learned to read using the Bible. Most of them attended church regularly and they heard the Bible preached for several hours every Sunday morning in those days.
Link to Citizens for a Constitutional Republic

Now let's look at how the Founding Fathers looked at homosexuality, as well as the laws legislated against them:

"It can be safely said that the attitude of the Founders on the subject of homosexuality was precisely that given by William Blackstone in his Commentaries on the Laws--the basis of legal jurisprudence in America and heartily endorsed by numbers of significant Founders. In addressing sodomy (homosexuality), he found the subject so reprehensible that he was ashamed even to discuss it. Nonetheless, he noted: "Because of the nature of the crime, the penalties for the act of sodomy were often severe. For example, Thomas Jefferson indicated that in his home state of Virginia, "dismemberment" of the offensive organ was the penalty for sodomy. In fact, Jefferson himself authored a bill penalizing sodomy by castration. The laws of the other states showed similar or even more severe penalties:

That the detestable and abominable vice of buggery [sodomy] . . . shall be from henceforth adjudged felony . . . and that every person being thereof convicted by verdict, confession, or outlawry [unlawful flight to avoid prosecution], shall be hanged by the neck until he or she shall be dead.
NEW YORK
Link to Founding Fathers and Homosexuality

I do believe we need to live moral lives and there are ways to impose morality on society through societal norms. For instance, society should view women having babies out of wedlock as a moral sin or homosexuality as something wrong, sinful and out of the norm. However, I would not want to have laws outlawing either. Then we would become like the Islamo Fascists we are fighting against.

While women having children out of wedlock is a serious matter (one of the many reasons for the breakdown of the nuclear family), homosexuality has always been looked at throughout history as a "lifestyle that every major world religion and thousands of years of history have held to be immoral and destructive from a spiritual and emotional -- and certainly a physical standpoint." Up until a few decades ago, when the sodomites intimidated their way into having the American Psychiatric Association remove homosexuality from it's list of mental disorders, homosexuality was a felony in every State.
Link to US Sodomy Laws

Drop the "Islamo Fascist" crapola; "Liberaltarians" (like yourself) and their social policies are more like Islam's when it comes to homosexuality and the treatment of women and children.
Link to Islam and homosexuality/pedophilia

17 posted on 09/22/2010 5:41:17 PM PDT by aSeattleConservative
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