And if the oppression is wholly imaginary on the part of the party claiming to be oppressed then why should the other states roll over and freely give up all their constitutional protections?
Wow, how many false premises can you roll into one long, absurd question? Very good.
First of all, the South's oppression was NOT "wholly imaginary". John Brown was no figment, nor "bleeding Kansas", nor the "Secret Six". Neither were the sinister black-clad companies of the Wide Awakes, who'd already drawn arms from federal stocks in Illinois, and crossed over to Missouri to take part in the overthrow of the State government and the MMV, the Missouri Militia.
Wide Awakes were also sending bands of arsonists to Texas to raise the slaves and burn the towns. The Texans erased all the evidence for this conspiracy by hanging everyone in sight -- including their witnesses for the prosecution. That's the problem with lynch-law justice. It's so imprecise. They should have availed themselves of the services of Col. Lee, who'd hanged Brown, to help them with their Wide Awake problem; at that time, he was stationed in San Antonio. I suppose Gov. Sam Houston didn't want to give any countenance to the secessionists, so Col. Lee remained undisturbed.
And we've all been through your piffle about secession "destroying the Union" and the rights of the other States. You might as well argue that my Fifth Amendment right to remain silent, should be abrogated by you, unilaterally, because my silence deprives you of your "right" to justice, i.e. revenge. Sound about right? Sounds like your style of argumentation ..... straw men by the battalion, by the division and corps.
Don't forget your ad hom general disclaimer: but your opponent is a stinking Southerner!! That always works well, and I see you've been exercising it, you and Bubba.
The States that remained in the Union continued to enjoy the benefits of their association undisturbed by the absence of he Southern States. Hell, they even managed to fight a huge war without the South!
Make your position known, negotiate a settlement of all questions of disagreement with the remaining states, and go on your merry way. Don't walk out, repudiate all responsibility for your share of the obligations......
We've been over all those tired old chestnuts, too.
The first thing Lincoln did in office after giving his inaugural was to refuse to receive the South Carolina commissioners who wanted to talk to him about apportioning the federal debt. Lincoln. Refused. To. Talk. To. Them.
So that's enough of your prattle about "repudiation" and "stealing" things.
But then, you have been told that before, by presenters of argument as cultivated, resource- and quote-rich as rustbucket and 4CJ/4ConservativeJustices, and here you are again, running your cheesy grift on a new guy de novo, as if you had never heard of the Civil War before, and had just discovered your beeves in a book.
This after being refuted God knows how many times since 2002.
ROTFLMAO!!!! I didn't notice monorprise whining or complaining about being picked on. And if they were then I'd suggest they call for competent help rather than you.
First of all, the South's oppression was NOT "wholly imaginary". John Brown was no figment, nor "bleeding Kansas", nor the "Secret Six". Neither were the sinister black-clad companies of the Wide Awakes, who'd already drawn arms from federal stocks in Illinois, and crossed over to Missouri to take part in the overthrow of the State government and the MMV, the Missouri Militia.
How many false premises can I roll into one sentence? Not as many as you apparently. The question was how was the South oppressed? You dredge up a single lunatic and his crew, a couple of rich guys who sent him money, and anti-slavery armed groups who were more than offset by pro-slavery armed groups and somehow conclude that this meant the South was oppressed? Oppressed how? Oppressed in what form? It was an easy question and only a complete boob could make as big a mess of the answer as you did.
The Texans erased all the evidence for this conspiracy by hanging everyone in sight -- including their witnesses for the prosecution.
Of course they did.
The Texans erased all the evidence for this conspiracy by hanging everyone in sight -- including their witnesses for the prosecution.
They should have availed themselves of the services of Col. Lee, who'd hanged Brown, to help them with their Wide Awake problem; at that time, he was stationed in San Antonio.
Lee didn't hang Brown, the commonwealth of Virginia did after convicting him of the asinine crime of treason against the commonwealth. And Lee was busy figuring out how he could return home and continue working his chattel.
And we've all been through your piffle about secession "destroying the Union" and the rights of the other States.
Why not puke up some of the pro-rebellion piffle that you're known for? I don't think that monoprise has had the pleasure, and based on his past posts I'm sure he'll lap it right up.
You might as well argue that my Fifth Amendment right to remain silent, should be abrogated by you, unilaterally, because my silence deprives you of your "right" to justice, i.e. revenge. Sound about right?
Sounds absolutely ridiculous. But so much of your stuff does.
The States that remained in the Union continued to enjoy the benefits of their association undisturbed by the absence of he Southern States. Hell, they even managed to fight a huge war without the South!
Fight, and win, the rebellion that the South forced upon them.
The first thing Lincoln did in office after giving his inaugural was to refuse to receive the South Carolina commissioners who wanted to talk to him about apportioning the federal debt. Lincoln. Refused. To. Talk. To. Them.
Because. That. Wasn't. What. They. Were. There. For. The Southern crew was there to deliver an ultimatum. Offers to pay for the debt they owed or the property they stole were not part of their instructions. Certainly not the copy sent to Lincoln. They were there with demands only, and as a smokescreen to cover the rebel desire for armed conflict.
But then, you have been told that before, by presenters of argument as cultivated, resource- and quote-rich as rustbucket and 4CJ/4ConservativeJustices, and here you are again, running your cheesy grift on a new guy de novo, as if you had never heard of the Civil War before, and had just discovered your beeves in a book.
And here you are, regurgitating the same old, same old. Nothing new. Nothing factual. Nuttin' but nuttin'.