Posted on 09/07/2010 12:43:35 PM PDT by gjmerits
Is that right, Non-Sequitur. While you folks conspired with the Enemy, we won the War of 1812. It's bad enough to wish Tyranny on your own, but forcing it upon others without their consent would make Stalin blush.
Why don't you move back to your Chicago home, and I'll help y'all secede. I will guarantee you one damn thing, no beating heart will miss a beat. We'll only wish you God Speed and farewell. No preserving on our part.
Well let’s just see who yelps LOL ;-)
Says the man whose whole cause was based on protecting their right to enslave others. I swear, are you all that blind to your own hypocrisy?
Why don't you move back to your Chicago home, and I'll help y'all secede.
I like it where I'm at thanks. But I thought secession was your thing anyway?
I will guarantee you one damn thing, no beating heart will miss a beat. We'll only wish you God Speed and farewell. No preserving on our part.
And I've said it before, if y'all want to secede then fine. Demonstrate that you have the support of the people in your state, work out settlement on debt and other obligations, reach an equitable accord on government property in the parts that want to leave, and then I'll go to D.C. and lobby on your behalf. I've never been opposed to secession if you go about it the right way. But you want to pull an 1860 and yank your state out regardless of what the people want, walk away - again - from your obligations, and steal - again - anything not nailed down. You compound that with lame schemes about deporting anyone who doesn't toe the confederate line. I'm not about to support a Stalinist state on my Southern border, no matter how tiny or woebegone it may be.
Wasn’t confusing - just cloyingly disingenuous
So the formal statement is more or less meaningless?
The sooner people down here realize that, the better. This was true in 1860 and 100 times more so now.
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I forget which side you are on....
In all honesty, there will be no reason to deport any of your liberal friends. Once they find out... they can't rush to the corner Planned parenthood center, and abort their fourteen year old Girlfriends fetus - And they can't insult a lady, without being smacked in their kisser, they'll leave. Why don't you ask your friend, punkrr..he left.
Oh dear....did I insult you?
*snicker*
I'm sorry. I've forgot... It is only considered theft when Southerners claim "what is rightfully theirs." However in that brain of yours, passing legislation that "legally" not lawfully mind you, forced Southern States to pay their portion and yours is square-dealing.
We more than paid tenfold in advance for any property that you laid claim to. In addition to that, I personally believe you owe us an apology. It would be along these lines:
Dear Southrons,
Please forgive me and the rest of my coven, for the blatant Marxism that we've subjected you, and the rest of our NOT Common Country too. It's all our fault. We've been in denial, now after several visits to Psychologists thanks to Obamacare. We now understand mental processes and behaviors. Basically, we are and always have been statist.
Signed: King of the Coven,
"Non-Sequitur"
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Your contempt for the system of government established by the Founders, with it's fancy "laws" and "elections" is well known. Unless you're on the winning side. Then it's all good.
Is that Southron speak for grand theft?
I found one of the articles I remembered that addresses this subject. It was in the January 12, 1861 Harper's Weekly, page 23, [Link to that page]. I quote a part of the article below. If you are interested, read the whole article. It is not very long. It mentions large planters in some counties of Mississippi, northern Alabama, Louisiana, and Georgia.
REIGN OF TERROR IN MISSISSIPPI
The following letter, from a large landholder and planter in Mississippi, is published in the Herald [NY]:
_______ Co. Mississippi, Dec. 25, 1860
I have been through several counties in this State, and some of the northern counties in Alabama, and I have no hesitation in saying that the men of property in both States are unanimously opposed to the secession movement. It is got up and engineered by the politicians and the poor whites; the slaveholders are compelled to fall in with it for fear of having their property confiscated. ...
The large slaveholders wanted to preserve their property. The poor whites didn't own many slaves. Perhaps the poor whites feared competition from the blacks if the slaves were freed or perhaps they just needed to think they were superior to somebody (like some posters who denigrate the South).
Perhaps the letter referred to in the article is not representative of the whole South or what was really going on. But I have seen similar reports elsewhere. Non-slaveholders in some areas like East Tennessee were against secession, but non-slaveholders made up the majority of voters in the states that put the secession question directly to the voters. If the non-slaveholders had been united in their opposition to secession, secession would not have passed by the majorities that it did.
I realize that the article doesn't fit the template of some historians. Those historians may have simply generalized that major slaveholders were virtually unanimous in supporting secession and the war. It is easy to see how some historians might have come to that conclusion. Certainly, the majority of secession convention members were often slaveholders. I think all of those in the South Carolina convention were. I haven't researched whether all convention members in other states were or were not. However, many convention members were also politicians, and they may have simply reflected popular sentiment.
The historian's task should be to guide us into understanding the past, with all its warts and blemishes. They should be open to data that do not match their perhaps preconceived versions of that history.
You federals received the evicted notice by the landlord, the States. Your services were no longer needed, those forts were now on Sovereign soil and waterways. Once they re-assumed their delegated authority, your government was the tenant refusing to leave.
You mean independence? Yes, that is a terrible thing, isn't it. /sarc
The follow up to that non-answer in post 763 was post #768, which you refused to respond to but, essentially did and, what we all know now is that you, the bottom dwelling non-sequitur, would side with obama against us Rebs.
Why don't you just man up and admit it?
Never that low.
You're the definitive embodiment of low bred, low class, low life, boy.
The country is approaching the point where 50% are living off the government in one form or another.
Jim DeMint admitted that, even with a repub majority, repealing obama/yankee care could take years, which means that it will never happen.
The few 'maverick' Tea Party candidates who manage to win in November will rapidly be absorbed into the DC bubble and soon join in their game, leading to more spending, taxes, socialism.
Amnesty and cap-n-trade will be the nail in the coffin for the conservative movement and the representative republic crafted by the founders.
This ship is listing sickeningly to port and we can either go down with it or launch a life boat and save ourselves.
The mindset of the statist is that everything is owned by the central committee/federal government.
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