As scientists get all bent out of shape when religious folks cross ‘into their domain’, let me say to Stephen, “Stick to your empirical data, Stephen, and leave the religion to people who know what they are talking about.”
There are no self-creating causes either. So a universe that just comes about on its own isn’t science that’s someone’s faith belief.
“There are no self-creating causes either.”
You’re right. Goedel’s Theorem.