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To: jbjd

The Founding Fathers only said in the U.S. Constitution about presidential elections (only after debating among 60 ballots for choosing a method): “Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors . . .” The U.S. Supreme Court has repeatedly characterized the authority of the state legislatures over the manner of awarding their electoral votes as “plenary” and “exclusive.”

Neither of the two most important features of the current system of electing the President (namely, universal suffrage, and the 48 state-by-state winner-take-all rule) are in the U.S. Constitution. Neither was the choice of the Founders when they went back to their states to organize the nation’s first presidential election.

In 1789, in the nation’s first election, the people had no vote for President in most states, Only men who owned a substantial amount of property could vote.

In 1789 only three states used the state-by-state winner-take-all rule to award electoral votes.

There is no valid argument that the winner-take-all rule is entitled to any special deference based on history or the historical meaning of the words in the U.S. Constitution. The current 48 state-by-state winner-take-all rule (i.e., awarding all of a state’s electoral votes to the candidate who receives the most popular votes in a particular state) is not mentioned in the U.S. Constitution, the debates of the Constitutional Convention, or the Federalist Papers. The actions taken by the Founding Fathers make it clear that they never gave their imprimatur to the winner-take-all rule.

The constitutional wording does not encourage, discourage, require, or prohibit the use of any particular method for awarding the state’s electoral votes.

As a result of changes in state laws enacted since 1789, the people have the right to vote for presidential electors in 100% of the states, there are no property requirements for voting in any state, and the state-by-state winner-take-all rule is used by 48 of the 50 states.


15 posted on 07/25/2010 3:56:19 PM PDT by mvymvy
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To: mvymvy
if i read it right, using 100 as an example, if a RAT state has 60 RAT votes, 41RAT votes nullify it's own state Republican votes, add one, then the other 19 go on to nullify votes in other states under the popular voting system
17 posted on 07/25/2010 4:41:19 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: mvymvy

I am not sure what is your point; but I think you are saying, given that the SCOTUS has confirmed states have comprehensive rights to appoint Electors, the proposed NPVI is lawful. I disagree; and so does Professor Lowenstein, UCLA (LAW). See, regardless of whether a state’s Appointment of its own Electors can be said to be consistent with the Constitution; the Constitution definitely does not say, one state can ‘pick’ the Electors of another. And by compelling Electors to cast their votes in accordance with the votes in other states, the NPV law essentially converts one state’s Electors into Electors acting as if they were Appointed by another. The state has no legal right under its plenary authority, to give away its Electors.


19 posted on 07/26/2010 11:49:35 AM PDT by jbjd (http://jbjd.wordpress.com)
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