Meet the place of Obama’s birth, according to Hawaii Governor

The Post and Email ^ | May 8, 2010 | Sharon Rondeau

[OafOfOffice]

Now we have Jake Tapper or Major ask Gibbsy to comment on Obama’s hospital where he was born. Pin them down. Ask if tourists will be asking for the delivery room and physician at the time,etc. If a plaque will be placed, Obama was born here?

Now that it has been released no reason to shield it any longer.

[BIGLOOK]

It would be revealing if someone were to visit Kapi’olani Hospital and look for a plaque on the wall somewhere near the main entrance or admissions desk and discover that the hospital (not the clinic) was built in the ‘70s and opened around 1975 or 76.

[OafOfOffice]

What about Hawaii giving BC’s to foreign born for the welfare dollars? These BC’s were not citizenship but maybe Lingle & Okubo has decided it is. Maybe when Hawaii was handing them out they were breaking federal law.

At first it seemed bizarre but now with Lingle on board she is protecting more than Obama.

[OafOfOffice]

The Big question is “IF” his mother was a citizen before we could decide if Obama even has citizenship.

[Lady Jag]

hearsay, legally? Ya think????

No.

How many different stories about Zero's elusive COB is this now?

Obozo is like a rumor; there is no truth to it.

[rxsid]

HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN?

“When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.

http://fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate.html

Factcheck.org goes on to say this about Obama Sr., Jr. and the British Nationality Act of 1948:

In other words, at the time of his birth, Barack Obama Jr. was both a U.S. citizen (by virtue of being born in Hawaii) and a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies (or the UKC) by virtue of being born to a father who was a citizen of the UKC.

http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/does_barack_obama_have_kenyan_citizenship.html

 

Even the modern day State Department rules discusses the problems associated with dual citizenship:

7 FAM 081: U.S. Policy on Dual Nationality:

(e)While recognizing the existence of dual nationality, the U.S. Government does not encourage it as a matter of policy because of the problems it may cause. Dual nationality may hamper efforts by the U.S. Government to provide diplomatic and consular protection to individuals overseas. When a U.S. citizen is in the other country of their dual nationality, that country has a predominant claim on the person.

...

the U.S. Supreme Court has stated that dual nationality is a "status long recognized in the law" and that "a person may have and exercise rights of nationality in two countries and be subject to the responsibilities of both." See Kawakita v. United States, 343 U.S. 717 (1952).

http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/86563.pdf

So, back to the question: "HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN?"
It can't. Of course not. Yet, right there, on his campaign web site F.T.S., it's stated that a foreign government "governed" Barry from birth and the reason it did, was that Barry inherited that foreign citizenship by way of his foreign national father (no matter where he was born), a fact backed up by Factcheck.org. Assuming, of course, that Sr. was his legal father at birth.
How, then, could he possibly be a "Natural Born Citizen" of the U.S.?
Barry Soetoro, the divided citizen at birth!

Barack Obama a/k/a Barry Soetoro *	NOT Obama / Soetoro
* This assumes HI birth. A citizen of 2 countries at birth.

http://www.jeffersonsrebels.blogspot.com

Furthermore:  Hawaii's Territorial Law, Chapter 57 - "VITAL STATISTICS, I", shown beginning pg 23 of 29, (the law in effect in 1961) allowed the parents (or grandparents or other relative) of baby's born anywhere in the world to be eligible to apply for a Hawaiian birth certificate. A mailed-in form (without mention of a hospital, doctor, or midwife) signed by one of his grandparents (who forged the parent signature(s)) would have been enough to set up a birth record and a birth certificate at the Dept of Health. The Dept of Health would (presumably) then have automatically sent the names of the parents, their address as given on the mailed-in form , the gender of the child, and the date of birth to the Honolulu Advertiser and Star-Bulletin. The address given for the parents in the newspaper announcements is actually, however, the August 1961 home address of Obama’s maternal grandparents Stanley and Madelyn Dunham [6085 Kalanianaole Highway], and not the 1961 home address of Barack Obama, Sr. [625 11th Ave].) This notification would then have automatically generated the newspaper announcements. (This was the practice of the Honolulu Advertiser and Star-Bulletin at the time).

Bottom line: Even IF (big IF) he was born in HI, he inherited his father's foreign citizenship as well, making him a US citizen by US law and a subject to the crown of her majesty the Queen of England by inheritance and England's law. He could not be considered a Natural Born Citizen as known by and as intended by the framers.

[Faith]

Again, excuse me for laughing at the good Governor's statement above about sending a government official to look at Obama's long form birth certificate, but I found her statement so funny and strange.

It would appear that Lingle is tossing out crumbs without allowing herself to be implicated, since she technically did not see the B.C. herself. I am wondering if she even sent someone over to view it. She's right---it is a horrible distraction for the country, so why not attempt to establish some credibility so that this issue goes away? Obama could take away the distraction but he knows he loses something big if he does. Lingle could address the issue, but she knows she loses as well because she has participated in the cover-up. They are both gambling on keeping the secret hidden long enough to make it irrelevant. It won't work.

[VikingMom]

An excellent idea....Can’t some enterprising journalist file a FOIA regarding the govenor’s statement? Someone.....anyone?! Isn’t there some reporter on the White HOuse beat who is getting tired of being shut out and wants to make a name for themself? C’mon Jake Tapper! This is your moment buddy!

[sometime lurker]

BTW, as long as his mother is a U.S. citizen, doesn't the little terrorist, Obama then have citizenship?

Yes if he was born on US soil, no if he wasn't. The law on passing along citizenship at that time for a child born of a US citizen mother and a foreign national father (or vice versa) was 8 U.S.C. § 1401(g). The version in effect at the time required: [8 U.S.C. § 1401(a)7]

a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than ten years, at least five of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years

Stanley Ann Dunham was 18 years old in August 1961, too young to have lived in the US (or anywhere else) for 5 years after the age of 14.

[sometime lurker]

Nice idea, but no. Kapiolani has been around in one form or another since 1890.

[Menehune56]

Here's Queens Hospital in the pre-Obama Territory of Hawaii:

[BIGLOOK]

I've gone over this before many times. Yes, Kapi'olani Clinic for Women and Children has been around since the days of Queen Lilioukalani. It was a clinic for Hawaiians and later for plantation worker's families to receive health care, gratis. It was and is a well intentioned, noble public health institution for the poor, but it was just clinic.

Kapi'olani Hospital wasn't built until the '70s and opened sometime in the mid '70s, while I was attending the UH at Manoa.

Let's look at it this way; it's 1961, do you think Madelyn Dunham would drive her hapai daughter several blocks past Queen's Hospital to give birth at a clinic? Besides, the clinic would just send her to Queen's anyway.

[Uncle Chip]

Why SEAL it so no one can see it? Because that's the law in Hawaii, and the Governor is the senior official responsible for enforcing the law.

Then why did the Governor tell her medical director to go violate the law that she is supposed to enforce???

[American Constitutionalist]

Instead of telling us that Governor, why don’t you take a TV news crew and show us with real physical evidence of where he was supposedly to have been born with documents to back it up for all the world to see.... talk is sometimes hearsay.

[American Constitutionalist]

( If .. ? ) the real one ( the COLB ? ) has been released, then, it has gone on public record and he has waved his right to keep it private..... if that is the case, that is.... then, the one they have on file would be no problem to release and show it to the public....

[American Constitutionalist]

" I think it’s again a horrible distraction for the country "
In that, I would agree with the Governor, it's a open ended un resolved horrible distraction for the country that should have been resolved before the election but the Democrats knew full well what they were doing and now got us in this mess...

[American Constitutionalist]

" I think it’s again a horrible distraction for the country "
Governor ? if it's such a " HORRIBLE DISTRACTION " you do have the power to resolved the situation at hand and have it released to the public and have certified people to view it and have it go on record of what it states on it.

[American Constitutionalist]

" Then why did the Governor tell her medical director to go violate the law that she is supposed to enforce??? "

The Irony of Ironies... need to view this in the light of the new NO FREE SPEECH law of " Vexatious requester "

[rolling_stone]

I wonder if Obie was born in little Tripler while mama was undergoing shock therapy?

[this is my country]

We keep hearing that NO ONE may view the records - - Suddenly, the Director of Health is given special privileges? Naa, doesn’t fly!!!

That was my immediate thought, also.