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To: ROTB
thanks for your efforts to edify with Scripture, and call Gods people to repentence...that is much needed indeed... my pastor would be appreciative as well...

however i still am not convinced that the Lord requires us all to be slaughtered sheep...therefore i disagree with your premise of...

"No. I am saying that our “vote” was divinely ordained by God to put ... 1) President Obama

2) Democratic controlled Senate

3) The Supreme Court

... into place over us, given Daniel 4:25 and Romans 13:1."

unless by 'over us' you mean in a Constitutional manner...because unless bound by that contract, bambam has no authority or title to be respected or submissive...

in the 4 Gospels, Peter isnt scolded for lopping off the ear of 'the lawful authority' or even genrally for violence against another human being...hes scolded for trying to alter the Fathers Plan...

if not for righteous resistance to unGodly men, Christianity wouldve been eradicated from this earth 2000 yrs ago...

different parts of the body serve different functions...the hands and feet are indeed deadly...

132 posted on 02/28/2013 9:55:04 PM PST by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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To: Gilbo_3
however i still am not convinced that the Lord requires us all to be slaughtered sheep...

As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter. Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
Romans 8:36-37

[President Obama] has no authority or title to be respected or submissive...

It's a tough cookie to be excited about dying for a just cause "like a sheep", but Scripture calls us "more than conquerors" when we do so.

Beyond the verses I already cited in post #120, what about Paul's Godly urging for the Corinthians to "take wrong" ...

Now therefore there is utterly a fault among you, because ye go to law one with another. Why do ye not rather take wrong? why do ye not rather [suffer yourselves to] be defrauded?
I CORINTHIANS 6:7

... and just in case you are a "Jesus Only" Christian, here it is from the lips of the Master ...

But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.
MATTHEW 5:39

... and will God not avenge us, or even protect us, if we look to God with faith?

Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but [rather] give place unto wrath:for it is written, Vengeance [is] mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.
ROMANS 12:19

How does "avenge not yourselves" turn into picking up guns and shooting government agents who come for them?

in the 4 Gospels, Peter isn't scolded for lopping off the ear of 'the lawful authority' or even generally for violence against another human being...he's scolded for trying to alter the Fathers Plan...

There are two verses that cover this moment in history ...

Then said Jesus unto Peter, Put up thy sword into the sheath: the cup which my Father hath given me, shall I not drink it?
JOHN 18:11

Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.
MATTHEW 26:52

Let's look more closely at two classic commentaries. I'm going to add underlining to highlight where the authors agree with what I am presenting:
Looking at the Matthew Henry Commentary for John 18:1-12 we read ... We must here acknowledge Peter’s good-will; he had an honest zeal for his Master, though now misguided ... Yet we must acknowledge Peter’s ill conduct; and, though his good intention did excuse, yet it would not justify him. [1.] He had no warrant from his Master for what he did. Christ’s soldiers must wait the word of command, and not outrun it; before they expose themselves to sufferings, they must see to it, not only that their cause be good, but their call clear. [2.] He transgressed the duty of his place, and resisted the powers that were, which Christ had never countenanced, but forbidden (Mt. 5:39): that you resist not evil [3.] He opposed his Master’s sufferings, and, notwithstanding the rebuke he had for it once, is ready to repeat, Master, spare thyself; suffering be far from thee; though Christ had told him that he must and would suffer, and that his hour was now come. Thus, while he seemed to fight for Christ, he fought against him ...

Looking at the Jamieson Fausset & Brown Commentary for for John 18:1-13 we read ... --that is, 'Those who take the sword must run all the risks of human warfare; but Mine is a warfare whose weapons, as they are not carnal, are attended with no such hazards, but carry certain victory.' ... for "the Son of man came not to destroy men's lives, but to save them" ( Luk 9:56 )

I don't see how Peter was only "scolded for trying to alter the Fathers Plan". Perhaps you only remembered John 18:11, and forgot about Matthew 26:52.

if not for righteous resistance to unGodly men, Christianity wouldve been eradicated from this earth 2000 yrs ago...

With respect, you're not God, you don't know that. Furthermore, you contradict Scripture when you say that ...

And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
Matthew 16:18

133 posted on 03/01/2013 12:28:48 PM PST by ROTB (Live holy, forgive all & pray in Jesus' name. Trust He is willing & able & eager to ANSWER BIG!)
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