[Pilsner]

Natural allegiance is therefore perpetual

By that strain of Birther "logic," Obama's kids are Brits, not American Citizens, and the progeny of his (theoretical) sons will be Brits too. And no one is eligible to be President, unless they are descended in an unbroken line of natural born citizen male ancestors back to 1787, when the Constitution was adopted.

And then you folks get all riled up when Obama holds you out as a bunch of raving wack jobs, and smears all of his opponents by equating them to you.

[Electric Graffiti]

Dillweed......If Ogabe was a citizen when he impregnated the sasquatch and had kids. His kids are natural born citizens.

The sad fact is we don’t even know if he’s a citizen of the U.S.

[rxsid]

"Natural allegiance is therefore perpetual

By that strain of Birther "logic," Obama's kids are Brits, not American Citizens, and the progeny of his (theoretical) sons will be Brits too. And no one is eligible to be President, unless they are descended in an unbroken line of natural born citizen male ancestors back to 1787, when the Constitution was adopted.

And then you folks get all riled up when Obama holds you out as a bunch of raving wack jobs, and smears all of his opponents by equating them to you."

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You do know, of course, that the natural allegiance that is due perpetually, is for the INDIVIDUAL. The paragraph that comes from (& the one before it) clearly are in reference to the individual and their allegiance owed the crown. Horribly bad attempt at obfuscation.

[Las Vegas Ron]

By that strain of Birther "logic," Obama's kids are Brits, not American Citizens, and the progeny of his (theoretical) sons will be Brits too.

That would depend on bammies citizenship status now wouldn't it?

Learn some basics before you continue to make a fool out of your self.

[Red Steel]

And then you folks get all riled up when Obama holds you out as a bunch of raving wack jobs, and smears all of his opponents by equating them to you.

The "wack jobs" are the after-birthers foaming at the mouth ranting and spitting spews when news comes out they are so wrong.

Hey, have a pilsner - you'll feel better.

[BP2]

> By that strain of Birther "logic" blah, blah, blah ...

What we've outline to you is fact.

Listen, I know you may not like it. It may not fit in with your After-Birther talking points, as you obviously don't know what the hell you're talking about. But it is what it is.

As attorney and Constitutional expert John W. Guendelsberger — who Barack Obama appointed to the Board of Immigration Appeals (BIA) in August — pointed out in 1992 regarding US v. Wong Kim Ark (169 U.S. at 653):

“In particular, the Court noted the Constitution's requirement that the President be a “natural-born citizen,” a condition whose meaning could be derived only by reference to English common law in existence at the time” – see US v. Wong Kim Ark (1898), referencing Minor v. Happersett (1874).

Again: "that the President be a “natural-born citizen ... a condition whose meaning could be derived only by reference to English common law in existence at the time". That does NOT include a 20th century Immigration Act ... common law in existing at the end of the 18th century!

In ALL of the Federal government, the NBC requirement applies to only ONE person: The President. That office is UNIQUE, as there are NO Internal Check & Balances in the Executive Branch, unlike the nine Justices in the SCOTUS and the 535 Members of Congress that exist today.

If you knew ANYTHING about the events surrounding the Framing, you'd know the 2nd and 3rd "Committee of Eleven" in 1787 actually considered THREE Executives to have a strong, internal set of Executive "Checks and Balances." See, they were a little concerned about a single President usurping power like King George III (rather ironic with Obama in 2010). The problem the delegates in 1787 had envisioning THREE Executors, however, was Executive responsiveness in a crisis.

The delegates ALSO considered requiring Senators to be "Natural Born Citizens" as well (which Massachusetts recommended to Congress in 1798). The 1787 delegate compromise, however, was to lessen the citizenship requirements of Senator, while strengthening that of the SINGLE Executor.

For the office of President, the Framers felt that a SINGLE Executor who had unquestionable loyalty was the best way to hedge against infiltrators, or as John Jay put it, the "admission of Foreigners into the administration of our national Government."

The Framers had good reason to be so paranoid — between 1776 and 1789, monarchs like Prince Henry of Prussia, and the Bishop of Osnaburgh (2nd son of George III), tried to “invite themselves” to become America’s new king.

So, now that the Constitutional Convention history lesson is out of the way ...

... what does Blackstone's Commentaries say in regards to British subjects, Allegiance and "service to two masters" (i.e., Dual Citizenship)?

“When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.

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