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Additionally, dual citizenship should NOT disqualify a person for any position within the US Government. Why? How can a person control the grant of citizenship from another nation? What if Hugo Chavez granted Venezuelan citizenship to Sarah Palin - would she now be excluded from seeking the Presidency?

Additionally, birth aboard a US Naval or Coast Guard vessel is considered birth on US soil. However, if that child is born in the territorial waters of Canada, the child is granted Canadian citizenship at birth, regardless of the citizenship of the parents.

Some nations, such as Indonesia, Malaysia, and most African nations - grant automatic citizenship to any young child adopted by one of their citizens. If you were born of two US citizens, on US soil, your mother dies and your father marries a Malaysian woman, you are now granted Malaysian citizenship. Does that cancel your “natural born” status?

The only thing that should matter in a logical (and as you point out in the 1964 Supreme Court case, legal) position would be grant of US citizenship at birth. Any other citizenship granted is irrelevant as the child - and in many cases, the parents - have zero control over the granting of that citizenship.


9 posted on 03/11/2010 8:45:53 AM PST by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the Sting of Truth is the defense of the indefensible)
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To: PugetSoundSoldier

***What if Hugo Chavez granted Venezuelan citizenship to Sarah Palin...****

I believe she would first have to request citizenship to make it a valid allegiance.


10 posted on 03/11/2010 8:50:51 AM PST by sodpoodle (Despair - Man's surrender. Laughter - God's redemption.)
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To: PugetSoundSoldier
Although there seems to be much confusion over what a natural born citizen means, or how many different types of U.S. citizenship there are; I think we can all agree that there are only TWO ways to become a U.S. citizen.

1) you were born and were granted U.S. citizenship due to the circumstances of your birth.

2) you underwent some sort of ‘naturalization’ process to become a U.S. citizen.

Nobody argues that the second group are anything other than “naturalized U.S. citizens”. Yet there seems to be much confusion over the status of the first group. For myself it seems obvious that if you were a U.S. citizen merely by the natural act of being born you are a “natural born citizen” of the U.S.A.. Yet some people seem intent on carving out some sort of third type of U.S. citizenship, besides that of either being “natural born” or “naturalized”.

12 posted on 03/11/2010 8:53:25 AM PST by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed. So how could it be re-distributed?)
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To: PugetSoundSoldier
the parents - have zero control over the granting of that citizenship.

So you are in favor of feudal law, that was REJECTED by the founding fathers, where the people are no longer the sovereigns? You would have US sovereignty vested in the central government in DC?

Lest I remind you, congress only has the power of naturalization, aka conferring citizenship onto aliens, all other citizenship is conferred through descent which is the law of nature and which was the form of law in England prior to the feudal takeover after the Norman conquest.

104 posted on 03/11/2010 4:54:12 PM PST by patlin (1st SCOTUS of USA: "Human life, from its commencement to its close, is protected by the common law.")
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To: PugetSoundSoldier
If you were born of two US citizens, on US soil, your mother dies and your father marries a Malaysian woman, you are now granted Malaysian citizenship. Does that cancel your “natural born” status?

If you are born a US citizen, you are natural born. Only you can cancel your "natural born" status. And only after having reached adulthood. Your parents can't do it for you.

A lot of folks get confused reasoning about these issues, because they can't get Zero out of their heads. Before considering these issues, it's best to put Zero completely out of your mind. Or substitute RR.

144 posted on 03/11/2010 10:53:27 PM PST by cynwoody
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