Posted on 03/08/2010 4:35:17 AM PST by jenk
The Hyde Amendment right now restricts funding of abortion in any spending bill for Health and Human Services. Since this bill is not a spending bill for Health and Human Services, the Hyde Amendment does not automatically apply.
Stupak, through the amendment process, inserted Hyde language in the House bill. Then he voted for the bill.
The bill then went to the Senate, was changed and passed.
President Obama came up with a different plan and wanted a new vote in the Senate.
Both the Senate bill and Obama’s ‘bill’ provide for federal funding of abortion.
The bill Stupak is referring to right now provides grants to clinics that offer abortions.
It also requires a monthly premium of not less than a dollar per month for abortion coverage.
It refuses to clarify “preventative services” as abortion, leaving the ambiguity that will allow abortion.
Central to the bill is funding for FQHC’s or community health centers that provide abortions.
House Leader Nancy Pelosi insists there is no abortion funding in the bill.
Pelosi also insists that under reconciliation, abortion cannot be addressed because reconciliation is a budgeting process.(The Heritage Foundation)
However, we have a false choice. Stupak wants us to focus on abortion, instead of this monstrous power grab.
The people of the First District are self-sufficient rugged individualists.
This trick by Stupak cannot be allowed to continue to frame this debate.
Despite suggestions that Stupak is raising a fuss over abortion funding in the bill, his constituency is more heavily concerned with the bill itself. Not that the First District isn’t overwhelmingly Pro-life, it is, but Stupak is falsely emphasizing the importance of abortion wording in the bill.
The First District is more concerned with the bill itself and it’s constitutionality.(The Wall Street Journal)
If there is any doubt that Stupak is not that firm on his assertions, watch this youtube clip. It was taken last year before Stupak was able to amend the House Bill, at a Cheboygan Town Hall. Stupak speaking in Cheboygan, MI
Stupak: “Let’s say we get 217, and we lose, would I vote against health care? If I had the chance to vote my conscience on it, I probably would not. I probably would still vote for the Health Care Bill at the end of the day.”Man: “Um, I guess it still bothers me that at the end of the day, yes you would have said your voice, but the one more voice would be that vote…even though I didn’t get what I wanted, I still am going to still vote in favor of tax-payer funded abortions.”
Stupak: “But, isn’t that the way our country works?”
Okay, can you see now? I have been watching Michigan become more interested in primary candidates and since they are afraid to seem like they are against Stupak’s abortion message, that they forget about the monstrous power grab!
Further in the clip:
Stupak: “I don’t want to see abortion in there, and I got to get a chance to vote on that somewhere along this process. But that doesn’t mean, and if I lose that vote, that doesn’t mean I vote against the whole bill.”Man: “It doesn’t.”
Stupak: “No.”
(Boos)
Stupak goes on to reiterate for the third time.
I’m in the First District, and no matter what Stupak says, people here, in general DO NOT like unprincipled behavior in their representatives.
By the way, Stupak has a town hall in Tawas tonight. He doesn’t allow video or audio recording, I wonder why?
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What about the Constituion and enumerated powers? We would not be having a discussion about Federal funding of abortions if the Federal politicians kept their paws off stuff they shouldn’t be interfering with.
We have a contsitutional crisis on our hands. I don’t think I’ve seen such arrogance on the part of the Feds in my life time, nor have I read about such since the prelude to the Civil War.
You are correct when you say that most here are not for abortion. It was obvious to most, he was trying to divert attention from this monster bill. He talked it up enthusiastically. And as noble as it sounds, that he won't vote for a bill with abortion funding. It's also obvious, given half a chance he probably will vote for it.
I’m going to be putting up on FR some information on a man who is going to make a run against Stupak. His name is Dan Benishek from Iron Mountain.
“Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn’t pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children’s children what it was once like in the United States where men were free.” ~~ President Ronald Reagan
First they came for the Unborn, granny and gramps are next.
OBAMANOMICS—TRICKLE DOWN DESTRUCTION of the economy
Bambi doesn’t keep his promises...so buyer beware!
SET THEIR LOCAL AND DC LINES ON FIRE!
PLEASE ASK THEM TO REPEAL THE BIG NEW FEES in TRICARE for Life, the retired Military over 65 secondary health ins. which they passed in a DOD bill. They promised our Military these benefits, and our Military have earned them.
Sen Scott Brown’s number is 202-224-4543
Capitol Hill switchboard is 202-224-3121
Lots of local demwit phone numbers on this thread
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2408217/posts
Rename, repackage, rewrite it a tad smaller, and sell another pig in a poke. NO COLAs for granny, retired Military or retired fed employees. BIG NEW fees for Tricare for Life retired over 65 Military’s secondary health ins. (DOD bill already passed, delayed but goes into effect 2011 NEEDS TO BE REPEALED!
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OBAMA’s WAR ON SENIORS http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2433867/posts/
New Dem mantra: Woof, woof eat dog food granny....ala let them eat cake.
Obama says slight fix will extend Social Security, http://townhall.com/news/us/2010/02/19/obama_says_slight_fix_will_extend_social_security
Health Care Rationing for Seniors Another Problem in New Obama Plan http://www.lifenews.com/bio3058.html
Medicare tax may apply to investment income (ObamaCare tax hike)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2460988/posts
Obama: No reduced Medicare benefits in health care reform
http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/07/28/obama.health.care/index.html
Will healthcare reform mean cuts in Medicare for seniors?
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2009/1017/will-healthcare-reform-mean-cuts-in-medicare-for-seniors
Health Reform’s Hidden Victims Young people and seniors would pay a high price for ObamaCare.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203517304574306303720472842.html
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SOCIALIZED MED THREAD http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2466239/posts
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MILITARY & Retired MILITARY
Veterans’ G.I. Bill benefits MIA
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2464680/posts
TRI CARE FOR LIFE This from a google search:
http://economicspolitics.blogspot.com/2009/05/tricare-for-life-is-obama-trying-to.html
This option would help reduce the costs of TFL, as well as costs for Medicare, by introducing minimum out-of pocket requirements for beneficiaries. Under this option, TFL would not cover any of the first $525 of an enrollee’s cost-sharing liabilities for calendar year 2011 and would limit coverage to 50 percent of the next $4,725 in Medicare cost sharing that the beneficiary incurred. (Because all further cost sharing would be covered by TFL, enrollees could not pay more than $2,888 in cost sharing in that year.) http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/99xx/doc9925/12-18-HealthOptions.pdf
Bill Would Restrict Veterans’ Health Care Options 11/06/09
Buyer and McKeon Offer Amendments to Protect Veterans and TRICARE Beneficiaries
Congress plans to block Tricare fee increases
http://www.armytimes.com/news/2009/10/military_tricarefees_blocked_100709w
http://www.navytimes.com/news/2009/10/military_tricarefees_blocked_100709w/
By Rick Maze - Staff writer, Oct 7, 2009
Tricare fee increases imposed last week by the Defense Department will be repealed by a provision of the compromise 2010 defense authorization bill unveiled Wednesday by House and Senate negotiators.
The fee increases were announced on Sept. 30 and took effect on Oct. 1, but the defense bill, HR 2647, includes a provision barring any fee increases until the start of fiscal 2011.
Retired Army Maj. Gen. Bill Matz, president of the National Association for Uniformed Services, said the announcement of fee increases was shocking considering that the Obama administration promised earlier this year to hold off on any new fee Tricare fee increases until fiscal 2011.
“President Obama and DoD assured NAUS and the entire military family earlier this year that there would rightly be no increases in any Tricare fees” in fiscal 2010, Matz said. “We took them at their word, and I can’t believe that a co-pay increase like this was allowed to go forward,” he added.
Obamacare call list: Courtsey of TN Eagle Forum:
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Bart Gordon (202) 225-4231 TN
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Stupak is a democrat, therefore he is a liar. It’s axiomatic
Er, make that Iron River.
Thanks jenk.
A “pro-life” Democrat is a Democrat who demands an opportunity sometime during the legislative process to cast a “pro-life” vote or two as boob-bait.
The biggest deception of all is that we are all being duped into believing that the fight for this bill involves Bart Stupak. The real fight is for the votes of Democrats who voted “No” the first time around simply for cover - knowing the bill would pass anyway. There were probably 20 or more of them, and they are all just waiting around now for the right “deal” to be offered to guarantee a change of heart this time around. Once enough of them are bribed into switching their votes, Stupak will be left in the dust. He doesn’t really care, because he’s getting the benefit of being turned into a pro-life hero by the media, despite the fact that his yes vote enabled this whole fiasco to occur.
Once the votes are secured, Stupak will be able to say he never compromised his principles, and the Democrats will be able to go to their baby-killing supporters and say that they triumphed over the anti-choice crowd.
This is dirty, dirty politics at its worst.
good deal MsLady, heard about him, is he a Ron Paul follower like Goldthorpe?
I’m not sure, if he is a Ron Paul follower. I haven’t seen any mention of him.
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