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BATFE Believes M4 Airsoft Guns Can Be Converted To Bullet Firing Full Automatic Rifles
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| 02/26/10
| Sasparilla
Posted on 02/26/2010 5:53:38 AM PST by Sasparilla
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To: ZULU
My suspicion is his idiot Vice-President was one of the culprits involved in derailing that ideaProbably. After all, you used to need a Law degree to get into the FBI (might still need one), and the DEA didn't need any loose cannons on deck, so where were the kitten-stompers going to go? But then Ruby Ridge happened and Waco started under his watch, too. Grandstand get funding show-op turned sour.
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posted on
02/26/2010 3:53:37 PM PST
by
Smokin' Joe
(How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
To: ExSoldier
Anybody can possess a full auto so called machine gun if they possess the proper TAX STAMP for a paltry $200 from the BATFE. Only if it was made before 1986 if you are not either a dealer or Law enforcement. When you consider what limiting the number of arms out there has done to the price of transferrable Class III arms, $200.00 does indeed seem a "paltry" fee.
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posted on
02/26/2010 3:58:47 PM PST
by
Smokin' Joe
(How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
To: wysiwyg
I have some experience with AR-15 lowers and I would have to say that if the dimensions are the same as an AR-15 lower then the BATF probably has a pretty good case. It almost looks like you could switch out the airsoft upper for a real upper and have a functioning firearm.
To: NonValueAdded
I’ve known guys that even did that with expensive industrial capital equipment. The other advantage/disadvantage is the new item never gets added to the asset list.
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posted on
02/26/2010 4:32:02 PM PST
by
Still Thinking
(Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
To: ExSoldier
That would maybe work if in fact full auto was a banned product but it's not. Anybody can possess a full auto so called machine gun if they possess the proper TAX STAMP for a paltry $200 from the BATFE.Yes and no. New ones cannot be manufactured nor imported. Even if it were feasible to convert these, the BATFags would still not have a point, as it is physically possible to convert the civilian equivalent of a select fire military weapon to full auto, and even BATFE admits those are still legal (and certainly much more feasible to convert than one of these plastic toys).
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posted on
02/26/2010 4:36:58 PM PST
by
Still Thinking
(Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
To: Sasparilla
BATFE Why am I not surprised...DC's version of the Keystone Cops...
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posted on
02/26/2010 4:40:53 PM PST
by
darkwing104
(Lets get dangerous)
To: El Gato; ZULU
The main problem was that the FBI didn't want them. Nor did any other federal "Law Enforcement" agency.Oh, yeah, I remember that. The FBI guys said something like "If you mix dirty water and clean water, you get dirty water". Apparently, however, the solution isn't to GET RID of the dirty water, but to concentrate it to greater dirtiness and get some more of it. D'oh!
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posted on
02/26/2010 4:41:38 PM PST
by
Still Thinking
(Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
To: Daffynition
I’ll second that emotion.
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posted on
02/26/2010 7:29:47 PM PST
by
Slings and Arrows
("Jim Robinson is the onle person that sweets proper nut sweet. leave the man alone."--Sarah-bot)
To: ExSoldier
Wasn't that also called McClure-Volkmer? Yes, FOPA was also known as McClure-Volkmer. The machine gun provision was a last minute amendment, and was so poorly written that if it was not enforced "as intended" rather than as written, it would have no affect at all.
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posted on
02/26/2010 7:50:58 PM PST
by
El Gato
("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
To: trapped_in_LA
It almost looks like you could switch out the airsoft upper for a real upper and have a functioning firearm. Except that there is an electric motor in the lower, to power the pellets, and they have no hammer other mechanism for setting off a live round.
So no, it wouldn't work.
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posted on
02/26/2010 8:00:16 PM PST
by
El Gato
("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
To: El Gato
I didn't see any motor in the drawing I posted
above and the rifle is CO
2-powered, not electric, so...
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posted on
02/27/2010 5:33:21 AM PST
by
wysiwyg
(What parts of "right of the people" and "shall not be infringed" do you not understand?)
To: Joe Brower
Looking like fools yet again.
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posted on
02/27/2010 9:17:24 PM PST
by
philman_36
(Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
To: Lazamataz
It says, right there in the manual, they cause EXPLOSION
I know yours is an attempt at levity, but it's an "exploded parts diagram" for those that don't grok it.
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posted on
02/27/2010 9:22:26 PM PST
by
philman_36
(Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
To: El Gato; trapped_in_LA
It might work, just not quite that way.
Having just built up 3 ARs, I’m guessing BATFE’s concern is someone taking the fire control parts out of the toy and putting them in a real AR.
I’m somewhat familiar with what M-16 internals look like, and the toy’s internals look more like those than they do an AR. Wish I had a Bushmaster catalog with me - I could verify it.
To: Sasparilla
If they say one of these toy guns can be easily converted to a full automatic weapon, then the question should be easily settled.
Make them demonstated doing it in front of the judge.
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posted on
03/01/2010 7:37:57 AM PST
by
tacticalogic
("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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