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1 posted on 02/21/2010 8:07:35 AM PST by CaroleL
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To: CaroleL

If Obama and Biden want to play hardball Chicago Thug politics, Biden has the ability to preside over the Senate and ignore any rulings from the Senate Parliamentarian about what is legal or illegal according to the Byrd Rule.

Biden could just tell the Parliamentarian to stay at home, and he can gavel through the Public Option easily with just 50 votes.


2 posted on 02/21/2010 8:16:10 AM PST by AlanD
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To: CaroleL

Don’t worry, the Dems won’t get the 51 votes they need from democrat senators to pass ObamaCare via reconciliation. Too many Dems are in stiff re-election bid races at home that won’t survive to serve another term if they vote for ObamaCare.

IMHO There should not be a need to invoke the use of the Byrd rule or to have to consult the Senate Parliamentarian.


3 posted on 02/21/2010 8:16:14 AM PST by BIOCHEMKY (I love liberty more than I hate war.)
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To: CaroleL

Presuming that Byrd would ever say a word against the negro.

Not going to happen.


4 posted on 02/21/2010 8:16:27 AM PST by Carley
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To: CaroleL

Byrd is the word?


8 posted on 02/21/2010 8:29:39 AM PST by mylife (Opinions: $1.00 Halfbaked: 50c)
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To: CaroleL
No doubt Byrd is on some medication and is probably Eight Miles High.


10 posted on 02/21/2010 8:31:28 AM PST by newfreep (Palin/DeMint 2012 - Bolton: Secy of State)
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To: CaroleL

Hussein’s health care fraud gives the radical left a unique opportunity to enslave the American people. Don’t think for a moment that “rules” will get in their way.


12 posted on 02/21/2010 8:46:15 AM PST by Oldpuppymax
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To: CaroleL

The Byrd rule? Is that like the Bird Exemption in the NBA?


13 posted on 02/21/2010 8:47:55 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: CaroleL

I’d pay a bucket full to see Byrd show up on the Senate floor wearing in HIS full KKK regalia denouncing the ,”magic Nigro”.


16 posted on 02/21/2010 9:15:46 AM PST by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) Obammy is little more than a quota boy.)
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To: CaroleL

Lovely! Just as they scr*wed themselves with rule changes in MA to try to hurt the republicans and ended up hurting themselves once again a rule they put in to hurt republicans comes right back to bit them on their collective @$$e$! They just do not understand the rules of unintended consequences.


19 posted on 02/21/2010 10:15:27 AM PST by chris_bdba
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To: CaroleL
Rename, repackage, rewrite it a tad smaller, and sell another pig in a poke.

Tennessee has joined several other states in trying to pass a Health Care Freedom Act. NO COLAs for granny, retired Military or retired fed employees. BIG NEW fees for Tricare for Life retired over 65 Military's secondary health ins. (DOD bill already passed, delayed but goes into effect 2011)

New Dem mantra: Woof, woof eat dog food granny....ala let them eat cake.

Obama's War on Seniors

Friday, February 19, 2010

Obama says slight fix will extend Social Security

http://townhall.com/news/us/2010/02/19/obama_says_slight_fix_will_extend_social_security

Socialized Med Thread

TRI CARE FOR LIFE This from a google search:

http://economicspolitics.blogspot.com/2009/05/tricare-for-life-is-obama-trying-to.html

This option would help reduce the costs of TFL, as well as costs for Medicare, by introducing minimum out-of pocket requirements for beneficiaries. Under this option, TFL would not cover any of the first $525 of an enrollee’s cost-sharing liabilities for calendar year 2011 and would limit coverage to 50 percent of the next $4,725 in Medicare cost sharing that the beneficiary incurred. (Because all further cost sharing would be covered by TFL, enrollees could not pay more than $2,888 in cost sharing in that year.)

http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/99xx/doc9925/12-18-HealthOptions.pdf

http://www.vawatchdog.org/09/hcva09/hcva110609-1.htm

Bill Would Restrict Veterans’ Health Care Options 11/06/09

Buyer and McKeon Offer Amendments to Protect Veterans and TRICARE Beneficiaries

Congress plans to block Tricare fee increases
http://www.armytimes.com/news/2009/10/military_tricarefees_blocked_100709w

By Rick Maze - Staff writer, Oct 7, 2009

Tricare fee increases imposed last week by the Defense Department will be repealed by a provision of the compromise 2010 defense authorization bill unveiled Wednesday by House and Senate negotiators.

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The fee increases were announced on Sept. 30 and took effect on Oct. 1, but the defense bill, HR 2647, includes a provision barring any fee increases until the start of fiscal 2011.

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Retired Army Maj. Gen. Bill Matz, president of the National Association for Uniformed Services, said the announcement of fee increases was shocking considering that the Obama administration promised earlier this year to hold off on any new fee Tricare fee increases until fiscal 2011.

“President Obama and DoD assured NAUS and the entire military family earlier this year that there would rightly be no increases in any Tricare fees” in fiscal 2010, Matz said. “We took them at their word, and I can’t believe that a co-pay increase like this was allowed to go forward,” he added.

Bambi doesn't keep his promises...so buyer beware.

22 posted on 02/21/2010 12:09:56 PM PST by GailA (obamacare paid for by cuts & taxes on most vulnerable Veterans, disabled,seniors & retired Military)
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To: deport

SUMMARY OF THE BYRD RULE

Under the Byrd rule, the Senate is prohibited from considering extraneous matter as part of a reconciliation bill or resolution or conference report thereon. The definition of what constitutes "extraneous matter" is set forth in the Budget Act; however, the term remains subject to considerable interpretation by the presiding officer (who relies on the Senate Parliamentarian). The Byrd rule is enforced when a Senator raises a point of order during consideration of a reconciliation bill or conference report. If the point of order is sustained, the offending title, provision or amendment is deemed stricken unless its proponent can muster a 3/5 (60) Senate majority vote to waive the rule.

Subject matter - The Byrd rule may be invoked only against reconciliation bills, amendments thereto, and reconciliation conference reports.

Byrd rule tests - Section 313(b)(1) of the Congressional Budget Act sets forth six tests for matters to be considered extraneous under the Byrd rule. The criteria apply to provisions that:

  • do not produce a change in outlays or revenues;
  • produce changes in outlays or revenue which are merely incidental to the non-budgetary components of the provision;
  • are outside the jurisdiction of the committee that submitted the title or provision for inclusion in the reconciliation measure;
  • increase outlays or decrease revenue if the provision's title, as a whole, fails to achieve the Senate reporting committee's reconciliation instructions;
  • increase net outlays or decrease revenue during a fiscal year after the years covered by the reconciliation bill unless the provision's title, as a whole, remains budget neutral;
  • contain recommendations regarding the OASDI (social security) trust funds.

Exceptions to the Byrd Rule - Section 313(b)(2) allows certain otherwise covered Senate-originated provisions to be excepted from the Byrd rule if the provisions are certified for exemption by the Senate Budget Committee chairman and ranking minority member, as well as the chairman and ranking minority member of the committee of jurisdiction. The permitted exceptions are:

  • a provision that mitigates direct effects attributable to a second provision which changes outlays or revenue when the provisions together produce a net reduction in outlays;
  • the provision will result in a substantial reduction in outlays or a substantial increase in revenues during fiscal years after the fiscal years covered by the reconciliation bill;
  • the provision will likely reduce outlays or increase revenues based on actions that are not currently projected by CBO for scorekeeping purposes; or
  • such provision will likely produce significant reduction in outlays or increase in revenues, but due to insufficient data such reduction or increase cannot be reliably estimated.

Effect of points of order - The effect of raising a point of order under the Byrd rule is to strike the offending extraneous provision. If a point of order against a conference report is sustained, the Senate may consider subsequent motions to dispose of that portion of the conference report not subject to the point of order.

Waivers - The Byrd rule is not self-enforcing. A point of order must be raised at the appropriate time to enforce it. The Byrd rule can only be waived by a 3/5 (60) majority vote of the Senate.


28 posted on 02/21/2010 1:02:06 PM PST by deport
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