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To: EnderWiggins; Red Steel; DaveTesla; Lmo56; STE=Q; Velveeta; LucyT; All

> Blackstone rejects the very existence of dual citizenship

Bullsh!t.

Blackstone is not some Chinese buffet where EnderWiggins gets to pick the broccoli beef while ignoring the General Tso's chicken. It's all or nothing.

Just like post-1990 US State Dept directives regarding "dual citizenship", Blackstone acknowledged hundreds of years ago that as the British empire is strewn across all four corners of the globe, the concept of "dual nationality" is relevant and applicable to the Crown's Natural Born Subjects.

Take those dimestore glasses off and read again:

Indeed the natural-born subject of one prince, to whom he owes allegiance, may be entangled by subjecting himself absolutely to another; but it is his own act that brings him into these straits and difficulties, of owing service to two masters; and it is unreasonable that, by such voluntary act of his own, he should be able at pleasure to unloose those bands, by which he is connected to his natural prince.

You after-birthers keep trying to shift the focus onto Obama's mama and her US citizenry, when Blackstone, despite changes in current citizenship laws, would be VERY clear that Obama Jr is BOTH a US Citizen and a British Natural Born Subject:

But by several more modern statutes these restrictions are still farther taken off: so that all children, born out of the king's ligeance, whose fathers were natural-born subjects, are now natural-born subjects themselves, to all intents and purposes, without any exception (Source: http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/documents/a1_8_4_citizenships1.html).


“When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.


680 posted on 02/15/2010 10:58:36 AM PST by BP2 (I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
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To: BP2
"Blackstone is not some Chinese buffet where EnderWiggins gets to pick the broccoli beef while ignoring the General Tso's chicken. It's all or nothing.:

No, it's not. If it were all or nothing, then we would have to reject de Vattel completely, since the Federal Convention rejected his insistence that there was no right to bear arms and overruled him by inserting the 2nd Amendment. So... out of the gate you are showing the simplistic, reductionist understanding of how the Constitution was framed that bedevils the Birthers into constantly contradicting themselves. As you do here. It's never all or nothing.

"You after-birthers keep trying to shift the focus onto Obama's mama and her US citizenry, when Blackstone, despite changes in current citizenship laws, would be VERY clear that Obama Jr is BOTH a US Citizen and a British Natural Born Subject:"

I have no idea who you are arguing with there. I have never mentioned Obama's mother or her citizenship once. This is because under US law, it does not matter.

The excerpts you've posted from Blackstone contradict your claim that Obam is a dual citizen, because Blackstone is saying that there is no such thing. He is saying that once you are a natural born citizen, your allegiance to your country of birth is permanent and immutable, and no other citizenship counts.

In Obama's case, his natural born citizenship is American, and (if Blackstone is correct here) his British citizenship does not count.
687 posted on 02/15/2010 11:31:44 AM PST by EnderWiggins
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