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To: EnderWiggins; All

> And in both cases... we are still eligible to be President
> of the United States per Article II of the US Constitution.

Good to see you acknowledge Obama is still a British Subject to this day — as he sits in the Oval Office. We're making some progress!

As for Obama’s Eligibility — as most After-Birthers — you confuse the inability TO THIS POINT of Plaintiffs to show Legal Standing & Jurisdiction as PROOF that he's eligible. As you know, it doesn't work that way, especially with heady Constitutional matters like this. Again, this does not mean Obama is eligible; the cases have yet to be heard on their merits.

Patience is the key in the Federal Court system, as even a Harvard law professor with no trial experience like Obama would know.

And as this thread has shown, there's a plethora of evidence that the Justices will review at some point that refutes Obama’s eligibility to hold office as President.


1,049 posted on 02/17/2010 2:39:13 PM PST by BP2 (I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
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To: BP2
"Good to see you acknowledge Obama is still a British Subject to this day — as he sits in the Oval Office. We're making some progress!"

What a strange comment? SinceI have never denied for a second that Obama is a dual citizen, how can that be "progress?" Exactly?

"As for Obama’s Eligibility — as most After-Birthers — you confuse the inability TO THIS POINT of Plaintiffs to show Legal Standing & Jurisdiction as PROOF that he's eligible."

I do no such thing. I instead argue that since he meets the definition of natural born citizen, he is older than 35 and he has lived in the US for more than 14 years... that is what makes him eligible.

This hasn't dragged on for almost two years because you guys don't have standing. It has dragged on because he actually is eligible and you haven't been able to come with a shred of evidence otherwise.

"As you know, it doesn't work that way, especially with heady Constitutional matters like this. Again, this does not mean Obama is eligible; the cases have yet to be heard on their merits."

Actually, standing is the first merit in any civil case to be decided. This is another reason why Birthers embarrass me. Conservative jurists have worked their butts off for the last 50 years finally putting in place a strong set of criteria for standing that would keep the trial lawyers down. And yet Birthers want to throw out all that hard work and devalue it to a mere technicality because of a single election. It is nuts... the proverbial cutting off our noses to spite our faces.

Look... the whole NBC redefinition issue is already dead. That one already got to the Supreme Court and was refused consideration on its merits. The original Donofrio case was not dismissed for standing at the lower court level. It was a request for a TRO, and that request was denied on its merits. His appeal to the US Supreme Court was not an appeal of standing. It was an appeal of the case's denial on its merits. The Supreme Court actually got to consider the substance of his demand for a TRO, and that substance was the whole definition of NBC issue. It was denied by SCOTUS without comment.

I have been telling people for almost two years (first Phil Berg, then Leo Donofrio, then Orly Taitz, then Mario Apuzzo) that if any genuine evidence existed that the Obama COLB was a forgery, then a criminal complaint against the Hawaii DOH for fraud was the swiftest and surest way to get access to Obama's records. The DOH knows there is a COLB circulating with their stamp and seal on it. They know whether or not it is forged. If it is forged and they have not exposed the fraud, then they are complicit. And if there is any evidence that it actually is forged, they would have to prove otherwise in any criminal proceeding against them by opening up the records and showing so.

"Patience is the key in the Federal Court system, as even a Harvard law professor with no trial experience like Obama would know."

Actually, no. Having a real case is the key in the Federal Court system. Having competent lawyers also would help. Birthers appear to have neither.

"And as this thread has shown, there's a plethora of evidence that the Justices will review at some point that refutes Obama’s eligibility to hold office as President."

You keep believing that if it makes you feel better. I still haven't seen it.
1,058 posted on 02/17/2010 3:13:17 PM PST by EnderWiggins
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