Posted on 02/12/2010 12:02:57 PM PST by Sasparilla
A Walmart employee who shot a co-worker in the head on a loading dock while at the store has been released. The County Prosecutor said that 49 year old Craig Schmidt acted lawfully under the Montanas Castle Law Doctrine. Under that law, a person has a natural right to use firearms in self defense, and doesnt have to call 911 before using what is considered justifiable force.
Schmidt was facing charges of assault with the firearm, but the law's existence required that the police investigate further to see if Schmidt believed his life was in danger. That further investigation showed that Schmidt was within his rights in drawing and firing the firearm.
Schmidt and 32 year old Daniel Lara got into an argument about Lara taking an extended break. Schmidt bumped Laras shoulder. Mr. Lara took that as a beginning of a fight and started attacking him.
Schmidt was shoved around and punched by Lara. Lara also hit Schmidt extremely hard twice in the head. As the hitting and shoving of Schmidt continued, Schmidt was pushed down and fell on a metal rack. Schmidt feared that the next blow would seriously injure him, so he drew his sidearm and fired.
Schmidt said that he couldnt retreat any further, and was almost on his back. He believed he was in store for a severe beating.
His .25 caliber round hit...
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Over on the gun forums, THR, TFL, etc. there are lots of caliber wars threads. You can see all the old tired arguments on both sides such as;
“size doesn’t matter, it’s all about shot placement” (yeah, right)
“A hit with a .25 is better than a miss with a 45” (this assumes a 45 will always miss)
Those folks need to comment on this story.
HPs won't expand in something as pitifully underpowered as a .25 Auto. There has to be some velocity after all . . . it basically rolls out of the barrel at around 700 fps, and that's with a 50 grain bullet. Even soft lead wouldn't do much at that speed.
“I was in fear for my life”, repeat as needed.
I meant permanent break from the Walmart.... ;)
But .22 is a whole lot better than nothing.
I can't think of anybody who defends the .25. It is really worse than nothing, because you think you're carrying a pistol.
It looks like in this case, though, it DID stop the attack. The recipient probably THOUGHT he had been killed.
I carried a Glock 26 every day during the 9 months I worked at Walmart. There are some questionable people working there, especially during the overnight shift. 8~)
I have several and it just depends on what is going on.
I tend to leave weapons in my truck and so I lean towards cheap Taurus revolvers of .38 or .357 variety.
For carry, I almost always have the little .22 just because it is literally impossible to detect. I’ve practiced with it in the range -— shooting in the holster. I hit center of mass, pure belly gun. That’s fine.
Depending on clothing worn, the primary weapon varies from a .40 GLOCK, to various Sig Sauer (.40, .380, 9MM).
You are right. The 25 is more anemic than the 22. The 22mag is pretty hot, however. And I guess anything is sometimes better than nothing.
One day I went with him to the cardiologist (being a nurse I would tell him what the doctor said after we left) Anyway the doctor ordered an EKG and dad had to strip off his shirt. I asked him if he wanted me to leave and said NO. He took off his shirt and cussed quietly, he had his halter and gun on...Told me to put them in my purse. Luck I had a large enough purse..
That's like the time I was getting ready to leave work (young associate in a downtown law firm) and one of the partners strolled in my office to ask me a question just as I was shrugging on my Scorpion shoulder holster with the PPK in it.
He went "YIKES!" and started to back out the door, I said, "Nah, come on in, I'm decent."
He was a former Marine so I was on pretty solid ground.
My daughter asked about that (one of the wife's friends carries a Taurus .38 revolver, and she loves it) . I told her that it's always better to round up :-P
And not a lady to be fuc*ed with...LOL
.25 caliber? What, they make the employees buy their sidearms at Wal*Mart?
I have a little .25
It is only good for putting in an ear.
And it STILL probably wouldn't do a good job keeping out loud noises.
True enough. LoL
Ugh. I just had a flashback to rec.guns from the 1980’s.
Handgun round stopping power is a total myth.
For every one stop .45 ACP anecdote there are three .22 caliber one stop shots anecdotes to go with the perp who took 11 hits from a .45 and kept on going.
Everybody reacts differently to being shot.
There is no such thing as +P+, or P++, or ++p++. That’s all Guns & Ammo magazine marketing hype. There is no SAAMI spec for the plus plus p loads - just varying velocity.
http://www.saami.org/Unsafe_Combinations.cfm
Just ask those goats in Strasbourg.
http://www.thegunzone.com/strasbourg.html
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