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The Truth About The Birther Movement
The Lid/Daily Beast ^ | 2/8/2010 | The Lid

Posted on 02/08/2010 9:40:03 AM PST by Shellybenoit

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To: Shellybenoit
For those to be fake, Obama's mom would have to have seen into the future known he was going to run for president...

WRONG!
All that this shows is that his mom saw value in establishing US citizenship.
That's not exactly a stretch!

41 posted on 02/08/2010 10:35:10 AM PST by Nevermore (...just a typical cracker, clinging to my Constitutional rights...)
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To: Question Liberal Authority
I don't see anything wrong with simply acknowledging the fact that there are gaps in Obama's historical record, and that he being extremely unhelpful in filling those gaps.

You hit the heart of the issue square on the head. I'd love to see groups move away from the birth certificate and demand the same level of transparency required of other Presidents. The American public doesn't even know what his grades were at Harvard - can you imagine if Bush had refused to release his grades at Yale?

42 posted on 02/08/2010 10:36:36 AM PST by SoftballMominVA
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To: Nevermore

And you can see here what it has done for Andrew Breitbart. He could be asking about college transcripts or Hawaii school records. Asking why Opossum is fighting the realease of thse common records. No need to mention the B/C.

He doesn’t. Farah should have asked him “Why?”


43 posted on 02/08/2010 10:39:17 AM PST by Cletus.D.Yokel (Freepmail me to get on the Bourbon ping list.)
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To: SoftballMominVA

For that matter, we don’t even know with certainty if he attended Columbia University.


44 posted on 02/08/2010 10:43:54 AM PST by Question Liberal Authority ("My...health care plan is a Bolshevik plot... which will destroy America." - Barack Obama)
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To: Shellybenoit

11. “If you push a negative hard and deep enough, it will break through into its counterside”.

Saul’s Disciples at it again. Or should I say “Rabbi Alinsky?” http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=124234


45 posted on 02/08/2010 10:55:34 AM PST by HighlyOpinionated (The left have become lawless. Every strangling edict they issue carries an exemption for themselves.)
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To: MovementConservative
Mr. Nut


46 posted on 02/08/2010 11:02:21 AM PST by Red Steel
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To: Shellybenoit

The TRUTH about the Birther Movement?

Just show us the REAL long form and it’ll all go away.

THEN we’ll want college transcripts and a copy of his Thesis. Oh, and how about showing us your Diplomas, Mr Soetoro-Obama?

Why is it that there is only one or two people who even RECALL him at Harvard? However, they did not take classes with him. NO ONE at Columbia has come forward. And where are the Occidental classmates???

My contention is that he was an active member of the Black Panthers while at Occidental and that this item is notated along with his being a FOREIGN Student while there. I also think that he did not attend Columbia because there’s no documented proof.

Until 0bama tells the truth, he’s a usurper and an illegal alien as far as I’m concerned.


47 posted on 02/08/2010 11:05:13 AM PST by HighlyOpinionated (The left have become lawless. Every strangling edict they issue carries an exemption for themselves.)
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To: TheBigIf; Shellybenoit
It is absolutely idiotic to claim that the birth announcements serve as proof of anything regarding settling an issue of Constitutional eligibility. Besides the fact that it does not address at all the fact that Obama’s father was not an American citizen and thus Barry was not a natural born citizen.

You got that right --

48 posted on 02/08/2010 11:46:00 AM PST by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: Shellybenoit

You of course know the history of Chester Arthur; he hid the fact that his dad became a US citizen after his birth, because in those days it was considered relevant to your claim to “natural born citizenship”.

You can bet that if Reagan’s dad was Canadian they’d have been all over it.


49 posted on 02/08/2010 11:52:13 AM PST by marron
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To: mouse1
“It’s an issue which needs to be finessed carefully” Exactly, and it should not taint the Tea Party. If that happens, it brings into question the legitimacy of the tea party movement and other issues.

If the Tea Party movement is about the Constitution and how our political leaders have ignored it to consolidate themselves into power, then questions about Obama's right to hold office under that Constitution in light of the fact that he is not a natural born citizen is by all means a legitimate issue for all Tea Partiers.

50 posted on 02/08/2010 11:53:04 AM PST by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: Uncle Chip
Somebody ought to rip that BOR Asshat a new one over this.

The simple bloody fact is that Grandma could have submitted a Birth Certificate application in the Hawaii of those days. People in Hawaii did it all the time for relatives born overseas to make sure the kids got citizenship, The minute it was registered, the Newspapers would pick it up automatically.

This is a classic case of logical cart before the horse.

51 posted on 02/08/2010 11:56:02 AM PST by Kenny Bunk (Go-Go Donofrio. get us that Writ of Quo Warranto!)
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To: Uncle Chip

but it takes away from the legitimacy of the Tea Party. Like I said I would like to see it pursued by congress, but until we have the members to do it, it’s in limbo. Too many think the birth issue is a crazy conspiracy story. Why taint the Tea Party with this issue. There are many other issues the Tea Party can stand on. And I do believe it is an issue... why else would bo spend millions defending it. But to date every case has been thrown out of court. I think the birth issue will have it’s time and place, I dont think the Tea Party is the time or place.


52 posted on 02/08/2010 11:58:27 AM PST by mouse1
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To: Shellybenoit
After his speech Andrew Breitbart and Farrah had a heated conversation about the speech and Brietbart's correct assertion that the birther argument is "not a winning issue.”

I just love that phrase "it's not a winning issue". Well it was a "winning issue" for Obama. He hid his past, his birth certificate, his school records, everything and won because he hid them and made up a prefabricated history. Where were these late comers when that was going on???

We're just taking that "winning issue" that Obama won on and using for ourselves. He won by hiding his past. We will win by uncovering his past. He won by obfuscating his foreign born status. We will win by uncovering his foreign born status.

Those who say it's not a "winning issue" are losers who want to keep Obama in office so they can make money writing and pontificating about how bad his policies are -- but they don't want to do anything about getting rid of the person behind those policies, the usurper himself, because it just might hurt their bottom line. That must be what they mean by "not a winning issue".

53 posted on 02/08/2010 12:06:03 PM PST by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: mouse1
but it takes away from the legitimacy of the Tea Party. Like I said I would like to see it pursued by congress, but until we have the members to do it, it’s in limbo.

First we need to elect people to Congress with the guts to pursue this matter in Congress. If we don't make it an issue for those seeking office, then they won't do anything about it when they get there -- just like the weaklings in there right now.

54 posted on 02/08/2010 12:09:17 PM PST by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: mouse1

“No, but up to this point the birth issue was met with resistance.”

Sorry, but a little resistance is not going to deter me from continuing to ask the question. If that little bit of resistance is a problem for you do you really have the intestinal fortitude to obtain your freedom?

We should, as you said, get elected officials that will continue to ask the question on a more offical basis, but by no means should anyone, ever, at any time, not ask the question. Beat the drums, beat the drums.


55 posted on 02/08/2010 12:11:16 PM PST by CodeToad (If it weren't for physics and law enforcement I'd be unstoppable!)
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To: steveballmer

LOL...Steve, is that REALLY you???

You may refer to it as a “loser argument”, but in this case, it will serve no constructive purpose whatsoever because it simply is not going to change anything. Anything at all.

And by the way, I didn’t attack you or your opinion personally. I understand the issues involved, and I don’t characterize people as idiots or lunatics because they think it is an important issue, since I believe it is important and this person should have been vetted prior to the election.

I would ask you to be more diplomatic in your response and not refer to those of us who believe it isn’t going to be a constructive pursuit as “losers”.


56 posted on 02/08/2010 12:30:26 PM PST by rlmorel (We are traveling "The Road to Serfdom".)
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To: Mr. K
Or someone photoshopped the image...duh

Yeah, and then they went around to every library in America that has a microfilm copy of the Honolulu papers from 1961 and secretly replaced it with their doctored version. Gee, if you could only come up with one of those microfilm copies that doesn't show Obama's name, you'd have a real smoking gun there.

57 posted on 02/08/2010 12:42:12 PM PST by Bubba Ho-Tep ("More weight!"--Giles Corey)
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep

At most, five libraries would have such an esoteric microfiche. But that was a nice try at deceiving readers for your messiah, kneepad obamanoid.


58 posted on 02/08/2010 12:53:39 PM PST by MHGinTN (Obots, believing they cannot be deceived, it is impossible to convince them when they are deceived.)
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To: Shellybenoit

“For those to be fake, Obama’s mom would have to have seen into the future known he was going to run for president, and planted those announcements in 1961.” Absolutle bullsh!t, like most of the affirmative action bastard’s ‘reality’. The obamanoids at FR have been trying to float that deadfish for months.


59 posted on 02/08/2010 12:56:03 PM PST by MHGinTN (Obots, believing they cannot be deceived, it is impossible to convince them when they are deceived.)
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To: tumblindice
Most 'either or' dilemmas have an undistributed middle.
60 posted on 02/08/2010 12:58:51 PM PST by MHGinTN (Obots, believing they cannot be deceived, it is impossible to convince them when they are deceived.)
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