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From Comment section from Climategate article below:
igi (01:03:23) wrote: http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/02/03/guardian-climategate-exposes-the-real-process-of-science-its-jealousies-and-tribalism/
Breaking! news:
Climate skeptic Ron Armstrong of Hoquiam, Washington has today learned from Penn State University that they are exempt from the Freedom Of Information Act and Pennsylvania’ s Right To Know Law
http://www.climategate.com/breaking-penn-state-says-they-are-exempt-from-freedom-of-information-act
Guardian: Climategate “…exposes the real process of science, its jealousies and tribalism”
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/02/03/guardian-climategate-exposes-the-real-process-of-science-its-jealousies-and-tribalism/
For the Guardian, it has been a week of finally coming to terms with what we’ve known here at WUWT for months now. The issues of Climategate are finally getting full sunlight in the UK, and it’s white hot light. Even Monbiot is calling for resignations beyond that of Phil Jones. .... [snip]
Another comment:
LeonardYoung (01:07:55) wrote::
The Guardian, despite its own reports, is STILL clinging to its default position that warming theories are sound. Monbiot in particular is seeing recent revelations as failures in Public Relations rather than core dishonesty or flawed data per se. The Guardian is also being very cheeky in implying that it is somehow revealing stuff that wasn’t already on this blog, and many others, for a long time.
Unfortunately the average Guardian reader will accept everything it says. I would expect a gradual winding down of its fervent, almost religious adherence to official science over the next few months, because admitting they got it wrong in one fell swoop would be a humiliating climb down.
The damage the Guardian has done in disseminating faith based theories for the many years it took this stance is considerable, because its vast readership of middle class professionals who are intelligent though gullible, has been so brainwashed that it is now regarded as a socially outcast thing to question ANY conventional wisdom regarding climate.
That position is not going to be overthrown in a few days. My Guardian reading friends if anything are even more entrenched in a defensive position and are in what can only be described as a denial stage. They still believe Polar Bears are all but extinct and still confuse pollution and carbon dioxide. They are among the most mis-informed of the UK electorate exactly because they are subscribed to a closed-loop of disinformation which they genuinely believe is true, and never bother to look outside that loop.
Yes, people rarely come out and admit their belief system is a fraud, it will take time for them to back away gradually while saving face.
Others have to wait long enough so it won't affect their careers or put them in jail, but the point has been reached where people that want to be taken seriously can not be on the AGW bandwagon.
The Guardian cheerfully promoting the “phony but true” argument of our former favorite lib reporter.