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[Thanks, SeizetheCarp, and David.]
Posted on 01/14/2010 4:25:15 PM PST by curiosity
Thank you for your response. Your initial point was well made and understood.
I was trying to move the issue to the next level with the argument that defendant indeed placed a purported birth certificate before this court via the footnote. It seemed to me that would afford plaintiff an opportunity, via some pleading device, to demonstrate to the court that the statement was factually incorrect – if what we think we know about the internet document is true.
Your thought about moving to strike the footnote may have been the device that opened that door.
You aren't going to use public defender quality lawyers to defend against accusations of ineligibility, and that means cutting some checks.
As the amount of money he allegedly spent keeps rising, is there any figure that will make you stop and think, "Hm, that doesn't sound right--a motion to dismiss couldn't possibly cost that much"? Or will you accept any number thrown around on the basis that "good lawyers are expensive"?
The footnote was not under oath. You might say anything that came to mind in a footnote.
The Mombassa birth certificate is under oath--it's evidence. The footnote isn't.
. . . Update. Begin at #172, and read to end of page.
[Thanks, SeizetheCarp, and David.]
Someone with appropriate equiptment check out the lines around the BO birth announcement. THe lines are created because a person (called a stripper) cut and paste literally a long strip gluing it in place. The lines appear as they do/because when you copy a piece of paper with paper glued on it..... FIllers (self promoting ads) are added to keep the columns equal.
Compare it to the fake adds in the Rent program on HGTV lead. You will see that each ad has a line around them. There may be more than one message in a square if they are very small (ecample in a “square” as in the Nordike paper). But they are NEVER divided information from one ad into two seperate squares.
July 3 2008 Blogger admits Hawaii birth certificate forgery, subverting Obama claims (Uh-oh)
Could you explain the import for dummies such as myself? Thanks!
He has evaded discovery so far by getting cases dismissed on issues of standing (despite varying clients), which is critical imho, and that is what he is paying for. Not to win a case, but to avoid it entirely and the disclosures it would necessitate.
So far, his attorneys have been successful. Besides, if the DOJ has taken over that purpose, it isn't his money being spent, it's ours. At that point I might believe the number to be too low. He has demonstrated an incredible predisposition for spending vast amounts of the public's money.
Cass Susstien suggested this kind of operation of disinformation to invade “anti-government” boards on the internet.
What happens is they spread a lie and then everyone buys into it; then they show that “birthers were wrong” and try to make us look nutty for insisting on knowing the background of Obama that has been wrongly hidden.
The other day, a totally nutty article from a “researcher” was posted that made no sense in the claims it made as to a FOIA request to the State of Hawaii. It keeps happening. We have to be careful right now and know Obamatrons have fed a lot of disinformation into what we think we know about his past. I wish we had a clearinghouse.
It could have something to do with his being filed on the 8th, while theirs was filed on the 11th. Why that might be, I haven't a clue, but it, along with his number being 3 higher than theirs, rather than lower as one would expect from the earlier birth and earlier filing, is just one more mystery among many surrounding The Miraculous Birth of The One We Have Been Waiting For. (Well SOME of us have, but the only ones I know personally were only waiting for his darker complected half. )
One possible explantion. His certificate was not filed by a hospital registrar, but rather by a relative, most likely grandma Toot. The birth was reported as a home birth. That would explain his not being filed with those of the Nordyke twins, but would not explain his higher sequence number.
A lot of speculation here. Most all of which could be cleared up by a peek at a certified copy of his long form birth certificate.
One possible explantion. His certificate was not filed by a hospital registrar, but rather by a relative, most likely grandma Toot. The birth was reported as a home birth. That would explain his not being filed with those of the Nordyke twins, but would not explain his higher sequence number.
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- This is mirse, the original poster. Let me see if I understand you correctly above.
You say that Obama's birth certificate was filed 3 days BEFORE the Nordyke birth certificate----Aug. 8 vs. Aug.11--- but the Obama birth certificate, at the same time, is 3 numbers HIGHER than the Nordyke birth certificate?
Is that correct? That doesn't seem logical to me.
My theory is this about Obama's Hawaii long form birth certificate:
There is no doctor name or hospital name on Obama's Hawaii long form birth certificate, and that is the reason Obama doesn't want us to see it.
Is indeed true that the COLB posted on FactCheck shows a sequence number 3 higher than that of the younger of the Nordyke twins.
This is the older twin's Certificate of Live Birth
Her sister's number ends in 10638 rather than 10637. Date filed is shown as Aug 11, 1961.
Here is the "CoLB" posted on "factcheck".
You can see that the sequence number ends in 10641, and the date filed is August 8, 1961.
My theory is this about Obama's Hawaii long form birth certificate:
There is no doctor name or hospital name on Obama's Hawaii long form birth certificate, and that is the reason Obama doesn't want us to see it.
It's certainly possible. I suspect the witness (who signs where the doctor, nurse or midwife, does for an "attended birth"), is a relative or even friend, of Stanley Ann Dunham-Obama.
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We need someone with excellent research skills to try to track down the persons listed in the Obama Aug.13 newspaper list: We need to find out which ones were born at Kapiolani Hospital and which ones were born in another hospital in Hawaii, because we need to find out why Obama is listed in the Aug.13 newspaper instead of the Aug.16 newspaper where the Nordyke twins are listed.
I would think that many of the newborns listed in the Aug. 13 newspaper are still alive today, because they would all be about Obama's age.
Also, many of them might even be willing and happy to show the researcher their August 1961 long form birth certificates as proof that they born in a Hawaii hospital.
I would think that many of the newborns listed in the Aug. 13 newspaper are still alive today, because they would all be about Obama's age.
Also, many of them might even be willing and happy to show the researcher their August 1961 long form birth certificates as proof that they born in a Hawaii hospital.
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HELP! Are you listed on the August 13 Hawaii newspaper list with Obama, or do you know someone who is on that list?
If you are listed or know someone on the list, why don't you post here and tell us about the person, that is, tell us what hospital the person was born in?
You could even post a copy of your long form Hawaii birth certificate so that we could take a look at it. Thanks.
Got it, thank you.
HI Territorial Law 57 (foreign born & HI B.C.'s) - Joint Motion Filled in HOLLISTER v SOETORO
There is a lot of info but notably
In that first motion for judicial notice when we pointed to the above-quoted law of Hawaii of 1982, which is now unopposed and thus acknowledged as appropriate for judicial notice by the appellees, we stated that it was the same as the laws of Hawaii in effect at the time of the birth of the appellee Soetoro/ a/k/a Obama. At that time we were unable to locate, either on the website of the state of Hawaii or in the law libraries of the local law schools a copy of the territorial laws as they were in effect at the time of Soetoro a/ k/a Obama’s birth before the major revision of the state of Hawaii’s laws in 1982. Since that time the undersigned’s support staff has been able to locate a set of those territorial laws of Hawaii as they were published with the authority of the Territory of Hawaii in the years before the birth of the defendant Soetoro a/,k/a Obama and as they continued in effect up through the year that he was born.
It seems you blame everything on the Repubs...McCain was chosen by a bunch of RINOS mainly in the northeast and you know it...or do you?
The Democrats looooove Bozo!
You don't make a lot of sense!
Now who's blaming everything on someone else? McCain won the Texas Republican primary, beating his nearest opponent by 13 points. He won primaries in North Carolina, South Carolina, Florida, Mississippi, Virginia. He won more primaries outside of the northeast than in the northeast.
The Democrats looooove Bozo!
The looooove seems to be waning.
You don't make a lot of sense!
ROTFLMAO!!! And you do???
He had already won the nomination before our primary so it didn't really matter.
I didn't vote for him.
ROTFLMAO!!! And you do???
Yes, I don't blame Dems for Repub mistakes.
You are a waste of time! Bye
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