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To: chuckles
...but I am saying we already know for sure his father was born in Kenya and lived there most of his life. That makes Obama Jr. not eligible to be president. " Natural Born Citizen" is quite plain in law as both parents must be citizens of the US and the child must be born in America.

Sorry, but that is simply not true. "Natural Born Citizen" is only used to distinguish it from a "Naturalized Citizen". The founders needed to exclude any British from the Presidency... to keep a loyalist brit from somehow getting elected and undoing the revolution. Beyond that... they didn't have some special sort of citizenship requirement. Apart from "naturalized" and "natural born" citizen there have never been any other "kinds" of "citizen".

30 posted on 01/06/2010 10:16:30 PM PST by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: Ramius

An interesting exchange I saved from Leo Donofrio’s blog.

“- naturalized citizen

[Ed. An alien comes to this country, follows the laws to become a citizen, swears an oath and becomes a naturalized citizen.]
***as provided by Law

- 14th Amendment native born citizen

[Ed. A person is born on US soil to alien parents who are legally and permanently domiciled here as in the Wong Kim Ark case (although the case should be overturned) - or a person is born on the soil of citizen parents... either child is a 14th Amendment citizen but only the child born of citizen parents is also nbc and as such the 14th amendment was not necessary to make him a citizen]
*** as provided by Law

- statutory citizen

[Ed. a person born abroad of at least one US citizen parent.]
**** as provided by Law

- natural born citizen

[Ed. born on the US soil to citizen parents]

****Natural Born Citizen is the ONLY one attained naturally by NO act of Law .. By Blood and Birthplace..”

Natural Born Citizen status only has relevence in regards to the qualifications for the Vice-President and the President of the United States. It is NOT A RIGHT it’s a REQUIREMENT. It was put in the Constitution to safeguard NATIONAL SECURITY.


39 posted on 01/06/2010 10:32:53 PM PST by Electric Graffiti (Well, we didn't get dressed up for nothin')
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To: Ramius

What part of the following don’t you understand?

“Bingham states: I find no fault with the introductory clause [S 61 Bill],
which is simply declaratory of what is written in the Constitution, that every human being born within the
jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language
of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen… . . – John Bingham in the United States House on March 9, 1866”

Quite clearly any human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States who owes allegiance to any foreign sovereignty can not be a “natural born citizen” which excludes such individuals from being eligible to be President of the United States of America.


40 posted on 01/06/2010 10:38:22 PM PST by WVPatriot
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To: Ramius
Just keep reading at least to post #62. I don't have time or the inclination to argue endless crap anymore. Google is your friend and you could easily read all the stuff I have that say what I say is true and you would just retort, "I know you are, but what am I?"

I'm not wrong and the case has been decided in court. If an illegal drops a baby in Brownsville, they wave the Mexican flag, and Jr. never even learns English, the son could run for congressman, but couldn't be President. POTUS and Vice POTUS cannot have parents that are not citizens. Google it. This is why we need lawyers. Sometimes we think we know stuff we don't and the courts need to sort it out. They have sorted this out already. Obama is ineligible for POTUS. Why doesn't he just show the damn BC? Because Daddy is Kenyan. He taught Constitutional Law, ....he knows,....that's why he shows the Cert of Live Birth. His sister has one of those also. She admits she was born in Indonesia. All these arguments have already been made. Allen Keyes has posted his case on the web and he covers most of the bases. He isn't able to be POTUS.

65 posted on 01/07/2010 12:47:34 AM PST by chuckles
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