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To: rolling_stone
Obama’s campaign sent in $10 or whatever, got a standard issue COLB from Hawaii, and thought, like any normal person, that this would settle the issue. They didn't realize they were dealing with a bunch of lunatics impervious to reality.

And the Homelands documentation is a special case related to determining Hawaiian ancestry for special benefits. But if you look at their current website, you will see the following:

"Birth certificates (Certificates of Live Birth and Certifications of Live Birth) and Certificates of Hawaiian Birth are the primary documents used to determine native Hawaiian qualification.

The Department of Hawaiian Home Lands accepts both Certificates of Live Birth (original birth certificate) and Certifications of Live Birth because they are official government records documenting an individual’s birth. The Certificate of Live Birth generally has more information which is useful for genealogical purposes as compared to the Certification of Live Birth which is a computer-generated printout that provides specific details of a person’s birth. Although original birth certificates (Certificates of Live Birth) are preferred for their greater detail, the State Department of Health (DOH) no longer issues Certificates of Live Birth. When a request is made for a copy of a birth certificate, the DOH issues a Certification of Live Birth.”

It's really not mysterious at all.

260 posted on 01/06/2010 1:15:43 PM PST by tired_old_conservative
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To: tired_old_conservative
No its no mystery, Hawaii Homelands changed their requirement in June 2009 and long form certificates were still easily available them. They still are to the named individual through UIPA, you are entitled to a copy of any of your records held by the state that is not excepted and BC’s are not excepted to the named individual. They may not be readily available through website order but you they can request them under UIPA. So why did Hawaii make the change in June 2009? Logic says its a cover-up and no other reason makes sense. Why won't DOH explain the difference between date Accepted and Date Filed? What are they hiding? Shouldn't that be clearly public information? You maybe fooled and can try and fool others, but count me out. You are a shill.

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286 posted on 01/06/2010 1:41:06 PM PST by rolling_stone (no more bailouts, the taxpayers are out of money!)
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To: tired_old_conservative

“Obama’s campaign sent in $10 or whatever, got a standard issue COLB from Hawaii, and thought, like any normal person, that this would settle the issue. They didn’t realize they were dealing with a bunch of lunatics impervious to reality.”

So once they realized they were dealing with a bunch of lunatics why didn’t they provide the long form with the doc’s name and signature? Rather they have tied up several courts and spent large sums of money (probably taxpayers)to keep this document from seeing the light of day. From an earlier post and worth repeating, “Silence can only be equated with fraud where there is a legal or moral duty to speak or where an inquiry left unanswered would be intentionally misleading.” United States v Prudder, 424 F. 2d 1021(5thCir. 1970),cert. denied,

400 U.S. 831 (1970)


390 posted on 01/06/2010 5:59:47 PM PST by Josephat
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