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To: Tublecane

“The original Framers are irrelevant. The 14th amendment currently controls who’s a citizen from birth.”

The fourteenth amendment can be changed. The original Framers can’t.


209 posted on 12/14/2009 5:41:39 PM PST by Lower55
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To: Lower55

“The fourteenth amendment can be changed. The original Framers can’t.”

????

I would agree that, as the original Framers are long dead, they can’t be changed. The framework they established, however, can be. That’s what the amendment process exists to do.


212 posted on 12/14/2009 5:51:03 PM PST by tired_old_conservative
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To: Lower55

27 amendments would like a word with you.

All in all, I like almost all of the amendments, which carry equal weight as the framer’s intent. My wife sure loves #19, and my next-door neighbor is a really big fan of #13, #14, #15, and #24. I don’t like #17 all that much, hate #16, but like #21 a whole lot. #1 and #2 of course are fantastic. #4 is far too forgotten these days.

Regardless, when it comes to those (and for the purposes of these discussions, #14), the framers intent is muted at best. It does not trump subsequent amendments.


220 posted on 12/14/2009 6:22:48 PM PST by LibertarianAdam (Let the government protect our borders, then leave us alone within them)
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To: Lower55

“The fourteenth amendment can be changed. The original Framers can’t.”

What on earth are you talking about? No one’s talking about changing the Framers, but rather the laws that were created by the Framers. There’s a very specific process for changing what they did, known as the amendment process. When I say the Framers are irrelevant, I mean their laws and their opinions about their laws are irrelevant once new laws have replaced theirs. I trust you knew that when I said the Framers are irrelevant that’s what I meant.


274 posted on 12/15/2009 11:30:40 AM PST by Tublecane
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