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The Reason Why Obama Is Stumped On Afghanistan
The Publius Forum ^ | September 24, 2009 | Dan Scott

Posted on 09/24/2009 12:06:26 PM PDT by dscott8186

We have been hearing in the news lately that President Obama and his cadre of advisors are stumped as to what to do with Afghanistan. The Left is telling him to cut and run and the Right is accusing him of being soft on terrorism. Obama’s response so far has been to dither. Politically, Obama is in a tough spot because he painted himself in a corner. Only the incompetents paint themselves in a corner. If Obama doesn’t lay out a concise plan to get out of Afghanistan then Nancy Pelosi will have no choice but to throw Obama under the bus as she is beholding to the lunatic left fringe. Any plan that doesn’t involve a quick exit strategy or gives the appearance of slogging it out with terrorists (freedom fighters and aggrieved poor not on US welfare to the left) means he is merely following the policies of the hated George W Bush. On the other hand, if Afghanistan falls into chaos where the Taliban and al Qaeda go back to business as usual pre-911, Barack Obama will go down in history as the one who led the US (a superpower) to defeat at the hands of a group of people who don’t even own a tank or fighter jet. He will be known as Jimmy Carter the second, you know the guy who gave us Khomeini. The repercussions at the 2010 and 2012 elections would be decisive in toppling the Democrat Party from power.

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TOPICS: Government; Military/Veterans
KEYWORDS: afghanistan; iraq; nationalsecurityfail; nsp; nss; obama; terrorism
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1 posted on 09/24/2009 12:06:27 PM PDT by dscott8186
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Stumped or Stupid, the stories just keep on coming!

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2 posted on 09/24/2009 12:08:19 PM PDT by TheDailyChange (Politics,Conservatism,Liberalism)
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3 posted on 09/24/2009 12:10:33 PM PDT by Vaquero ("an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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Obama’s plan is simple, if horrible. Simply send in an insufficient number of troops and hamstring them with oppressive rules of engagement. Also don't update their equipment. Eventually they will be virtually unarmed as supplies and replacement run out. Then wait for a series of lost battles and high casualties. Since defeat is now inevitable there will be 100% agreement for a pull out. The left because they want the terrorists to win, and the right because they are tired of our soldiers being killed for nothing.
4 posted on 09/24/2009 12:10:47 PM PDT by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world, and they are all out to get me.)
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5 posted on 09/24/2009 12:11:47 PM PDT by Vaquero ("an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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Obama is only stumped in trying to figure out how to keep the left happy. In the debates, he was quite hawkish on Afghanistan. Maybe the taliban is a group opposed to his brand of islam, I don’t know, but I really expected him to make the Afghan campaign a much larger operation than even Iraq.


6 posted on 09/24/2009 12:15:53 PM PDT by DonaldC (A nation cannot stand in the absence of religious principle.)
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To: dscott8186

Because he can’t just “Vote ‘Present’”.


7 posted on 09/24/2009 12:17:31 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: dscott8186

Let me guess: because he doesn’t know what the “f” he is doing?


8 posted on 09/24/2009 12:19:00 PM PDT by fish hawk (Lord, help us to attain knowledge and the wisdom to apply it toward your ultimate will.)
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No. He is one of them. He was trained in Pakistan. The Pakistan where young muslims go for “training.”

The goal is to humiliate the U.S. military, get more troops killed and to then retreat. Islam scores a great victory like the one they scored in November 2008.


9 posted on 09/24/2009 12:19:23 PM PDT by Frantzie (Do we want ACORN running America's healthcare?)
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Well, I think it’s a little more simple than this. He’s in a pickle because fundamentally, deep down, he doesn’t think it’s RIGHT that we “win.” Therefore, there is not reasonable outcome in which the bad guys just “go away” and we don’t have to win. It’s silly, and dangerous.


10 posted on 09/24/2009 12:19:54 PM PDT by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually." (Hendrix))
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I've seen this scenario before. I'm probably older than most on this discussion group, and I not only remember Vietnam, I was serving in the Navy at the time. I remember President Johnson's decision not to run for a second term. The liberal press was supporting Vietnam at first. The MSM was covering up for Kennedy and Johnson then just as they are covering up for Obama now.
There are two factors working in Obama’s favor. First, there is no draft. Believe me, if there was one, things would be very different. The MSM would be chanting, “Hell NO, We Won't Go!”
Secondly, Obama is sorta black. Any criticism of Obama’s handling of foreign affairs is considered racist. The MSM has a vested interest in protecting Obama. They see Obama as a microcosm of the black race in America. If Obama fails, all blacks fail. Blacks that hold conservative views are not considered black by the MSM.
11 posted on 09/24/2009 12:20:57 PM PDT by Nosterrex
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To: DonaldC
Obama is only stumped in trying to figure out how to keep the left happy. In the debates, he was quite hawkish on Afghanistan. Maybe the taliban is a group opposed to his brand of islam, I don’t know, but I really expected him to make the Afghan campaign a much larger operation than even Iraq.

That is , of course, what he wanted you to think, he was after the independent vote and some conservatives with that tactic. He never meant it, EVER. In fact one of his advisors, forget which, admitted several days ago that he was just using it as a campaign tactic as if it is perfectly acceptable to lie your a** off in order to be elected.

12 posted on 09/24/2009 12:21:02 PM PDT by celestron71
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To: fish hawk

Wake up people. He is one of them. This is all designed to himiliate the U.S. military.

The left and muslims will be thrilled. He is both of them and they are the same.


13 posted on 09/24/2009 12:21:11 PM PDT by Frantzie (Do we want ACORN running America's healthcare?)
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In the debates, he was quite hawkish on Afghanistan.

In the debates, he was a lot of things that aren't apparent today. In the debates, he and Acorn hardly knew each other. Only later did the video come out of him promising to have Acorn advise him in the Oval Office.

14 posted on 09/24/2009 12:22:42 PM PDT by slowhandluke (It's hard work to be cynical enough in this age)
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I believe he’s shocked the liberal press of Europe more than anyone else. Remember...they all had Gitmo penciled in to close by now. They also had the Iraq war ending with Obama in office. Some liberal press folks in Germany are totally shocked because they now have more troops in Afghanistan than when Bush was in office.


15 posted on 09/24/2009 12:22:50 PM PDT by pepsionice
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To: Nosterrex
Congratulations, You nailed it!
16 posted on 09/24/2009 12:25:03 PM PDT by BarHopper
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To: fish hawk

BINGO!!!! Buy that man a drink!!


17 posted on 09/24/2009 12:29:07 PM PDT by SMARTY ("Stay together, pay the soldiers and forget everything else" Lucius Septimus Severus)
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To: Frantzie

Obama is an apostate...


18 posted on 09/24/2009 12:53:58 PM PDT by astounded (The democrat party is a clear and present danger to America.)
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To: dscott8186

Mr. Hope and Change puts Ropes and Chains on the troops.


19 posted on 09/24/2009 12:54:15 PM PDT by dancusa (Czars Czuck)
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Don’t hammer me on this but Afganistan really reminds me of Viet Namn. The bad guys can go hide and resupply in no-go zones in Pakistan and Iran and we can’t go after them. As long as they can resupply there and pick up recruits in both border areas we’re going to have problems.

Too many boots on the ground with their hands tied and you risk losing the Afgan people. Too few and you lose. A tough road to hoe no matter what.


20 posted on 09/24/2009 12:55:47 PM PDT by Igthorn
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