[rxsid]

PING!

[screaminsunshine]

Gee what a surprise. I am bummin. I have to go to an out of touch 3rd world country for work for a month and I am going to miss all the FR fun.

[dinodino]

Excellent...

*rubbing hands*

[rxsid]

More from Leo's site...

ISSUES

Section 92F-12(15) states that the following must be released to the public:

(15) Information collected and maintained for the purpose of making information available to the general public;

On July 27, 2009 Hawaii Department of Health Director Fukino issued a press release which stated:

“I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Director of the Hawai‛i State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai‘i State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawai‘i and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago.”

TerriK requested all information “collected and maintained” for the purposes of preparing the public statement made by Director Fukino as such information must be released according to the statute.

TerriK was interested in knowing how Director Fukino came to the conclusion that the President was a natural born citizen. She was familiar with Section 92F-12(15) which demands that all information collected and maintained for the purposes of making such a public statement be made public. She was denied that information despite the clear wording in the statute. Furthermore, the case law from Hawaii clearly demands production of the records TerriK requested.

[knarf]

GET RID OF THE BLACK BACKGROUND SO I CAN READ THE DAMNED THING !!!

Having said that,

I'm not sure I understand this.

Has Hawaii sent out a press release that says, "We've doctored everything to mean what zero wants it to say" ... ???

[Frantzie]

Hmmm...if Leo is getting involved in litigation in HI then there is probably something there.

He is a bit quirky but he is smart as a whip and knows the law.

[potlatch]

Hawaii Confirms That Obama’s Vital Records Have Been Amended.

Ping of possible interest.

[Diogenesis]

Click for more info

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Clearing the Smoke on Obama’s Eligibility: An Intelligence Investigator’s June 10 Report
"The Territorial Public Health Statistics Act in the 1955 Revised Laws of Hawaii
In the State of Hawaii, back in 1961, there were four different ways to get an “original birth certificate” on record.
BC1. If the birth was attended by a physician or mid wife, the attending medical professional was required to certify to the Department of Health the facts of the birth date, location, parents’ identities and other information. (See Section 57-8 & 9 of the Territorial Public Health Statistics Act in the 1955 Revised Laws of Hawaii which was in effect in 1961).

BC2. In 1961, if a person was born in Hawaii but not attended by a physician or midwife, then all that was required was that one of the parents send in a birth certificate to be filed. The birth certificate could be filed by mail. There appears to have been no requirement for the parent to actually physically appear before “the local registrar of the district.”
It would have been very easy for a relative to forge an absent parent’s signature to a form and mail it in.
In addition, if a claim was made that “neither parent of the newborn child whose birth is unattended as above provided is able to prepare a birth certificate, the local registrar shall secure the necessary information from any person having knowledge of the birth and prepare and file the certificate.” (Section 57-8&9)
.... there is and was no requirement for a physician or midwife to witness, state or report that the baby was born in Hawaii.

BC3. In 1961, if a person was born in Hawaii but not attended by a physician or midwife, then, up to the first birthday of the child, a “Delayed Certificate” could be filed, which required that “a summary statement of the evidence submitted in support of the acceptance for delayed filing or the alteration [of a file] shall be endorsed on the certificates”, which “evidence shall be kept in a special permanent file.”
The statute provided that “the probative value of a ‘delayed’ or ‘altered’ certificate shall be determined by the judicial or administrative body or official before whom the certificate is offered as evidence.” (See Section 57- 9, 18, 19 & 20 of the Territorial Public Health Statistics Act in the 1955 Revised Laws of Hawaii which was in effect in 1961).”

BC4. If a child is born in Hawaii, for whom no physician or mid wife filed a certificate of live birth, and for whom no Delayed Certificate was filed before the first birthday, then a Certificate of Hawaiian Birth could be issued upon testimony of an adult (including the subject person [i.e. the birth child as an adult]) if the Office of the Lieutenant Governor was satisfied that a person was born in Hawaii, provided that the person had attained the age of one year.
(See Section 57-40 of the Territorial Public Health Statistics Act in the 1955 Revised Laws of Hawaii which was in effect in 1961.)
In 1955 the “secretary of the Territory” was in charge of this procedure. In 1960 it was transferred to the Office of the Lieutenant Governor (“the lieutenant governor, or his secretary, or such other person as he may designate or appoint from his office” §338-41 [in 1961]).

In 1982, the vital records law was amended to create a fifth kind of “original birth certificate”. Under Act 182 H.B. NO. 3016-82, “Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that the proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child.”
In this way “state policies and procedures” accommodate even “children born out of State” (this is the actual language of Act 182) with an “original birth certificate on record.”

[wastedyears]

How the hell can records be amended?

[ATOMIC_PUNK]

[Electric Graffiti]

"TerriK requested all information “collected and maintained” for the purposes of preparing the public statement made by Director Fukino as such information must be released according to the statute."

I didn't know Hawaii had this statute......It looks like the Dept. of Health with go to the mat to protect Barry Soetoro. What a surprise.

[Nuc1]

Why don’t I have standing?

[pissant]

Ruh-roh

[Tucker39]

I would appreciate updates on any progress you may make in this pursuit. Thank you.

[Danae]

I have not spoken to Misstickly, but for those of you who thought she was a troll, yea, she wasn’t and I was embarrassed that this board banned her. She might be a Cougar rooting for Hillary and a Democrat, but she was after the truth. I thought she was on to something with her line of questioning with the state of Hawaii and she was indeed.

To you MissTickly! Terry! RIGHT ON! YOU GO GIRL!

[Chode]

[Seizethecarp]

Another clarifying comment by Leo (calls himself “Ed.”)

Pat Says:

September 21, 2009 at 7:25 pm
Amended records would include if Barrack was adopted by Leo Sottero. His original Birth Certificate would be replaced by an ammended Birth Certificate. That would lead to another set of issues involving adoption and becomming an Indonesian citizen.

[Ed. This was not originally an action to reveal his actual BC and personal vital records info...the original requests were for records pertaining to whether he requested his file for the purpose of amending and whether he did amend... the actual contents of his personal vital records are protected, she wasnt asking to see those. She was asking whether he paid any fees to amend them and whether they had been amended... not the contents of the amendments.

However, I am going to raise the issue that since Fukino made a public statement about his place of birth, then all records viewed by her for the purposes of making that statement are supposed to be made public under 92F-12(15), information required to be made public. Regardless, the other statement she made about him being a natural born citizen involves a whole other can of worms concerning the advice of the Attorney General and it is the AG opinion letter that we are really after and which was denied to TerriK. The statutory and case law indicates that this information MUST be made public. That means we should get an answer as to what definition of nbc Fukino used to make that statement.]

[Perchant]

"Hawaii Confirms That Obama’s Vital Records Have Been Amended"

Where is this "confirmation"? Did they call Fukino today and ask her if Obama's birth certificate had been amended?

I posted over there early this morning in the previous thread to the one this F.R. thread references suggesting someone should directly ask Fukino if the birth certificate had ever been amended. That post is still awaiting moderation.

[Uncle Chip]

Well the problem that I see here is that Fukino could fulfill the law by just releasing a few select documents, particularly amended ones, that back up her statement.

She would not have to release the entire file or any of the documents that ran counter to her statement.

Am I correct???

[The Comedian]

(thx Irish Pennant!)