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1 posted on 08/25/2009 12:06:14 PM PDT by jzlouis
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The reference law review article:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/19071886/Are-Persons-Born-Within-the-United-States-Ipso-Facto-Citizens-Thereof-George-D-Collins


2 posted on 08/25/2009 12:07:56 PM PDT by jzlouis
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To: jzlouis; LucyT; STARWISE; pissant; null and void; BP2; Fred Nerks

Who’s pinging today?!?


3 posted on 08/25/2009 12:13:11 PM PDT by Velveeta
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To: IndianPrincessOK

The drumbeat is getting louder but will it “sell”?


4 posted on 08/25/2009 12:14:07 PM PDT by sarasota
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To: jzlouis

Makes absolute perfect sense to me.


5 posted on 08/25/2009 12:17:34 PM PDT by meadsjn
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To: jzlouis

bookmark.


7 posted on 08/25/2009 12:21:56 PM PDT by IrishCatholic (No local Communist or Socialist Party Chapter? Join the Democrats, it's the same thing!)
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To: jzlouis

Still won’t matter.

I mean, get real. The rule of law is a phrase that 0bumble, the dems, and the government-run media are wholly unfamiliar with.

And, though it would have substantial legal merit should standing be resolved, it’s still going to be sold as “oh well”.

The only potential good that would come out of an adverse finding for Obumble would be that any legislation or treaty that he signed would (I believe) a) be considered null and void and b) would be punishable as fraud.


11 posted on 08/25/2009 12:37:39 PM PDT by mattdono (The platform I want: Stop spending my money. Stop sending my money. Stop taking my money.)
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To: jzlouis

BTTT


12 posted on 08/25/2009 12:39:16 PM PDT by varon (Allegiance to the constitution, always. Allegiance to a political party, never.)
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To: jzlouis

birther bump


13 posted on 08/25/2009 12:45:39 PM PDT by silverleaf (If we are astroturf, why are the democrats trying to mow us?)
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ARE PERSONS BORN IN THE UNITED STATES IPSO FACTO CITIZENS THEREOF?

The Supreme Court ruled that they were in several cases handed down after this article was written. I guess that they weren't as impressed with Mr. Collins' arguement as Donofrio is.

14 posted on 08/25/2009 12:52:21 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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"I say that in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen, for if he be born there of a foreigner, it will only be the place of his birth not his country."
25 posted on 08/25/2009 2:57:18 PM PDT by STARWISE (The Art & Science Institute of Chicago Politics NE Div: now open at the White House)
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The definition of “natural born citizen” was not created by Vattell in his treatise, “Law of Nations.” That treatise simply discussed the established body of law known as “the law of nations”. The definition of natural born citizen discussed in Vattell’s treatise was actually the definition established by the body of law known as “law of nations”.

I'd want to see a lot more documentation before I'd accept that.

"The law of nations" -- today's "international law" -- isn't a fixed code of laws, and in a matter like this, it probably doesn't prevail over the laws that nations make for themselves.

You can certainly argue that the law of nations -- or Vattel's ideas about it -- prevail over US law and the common law, but judges probably won't agree.

Most of the founders were familiar with the common law, and Blackstone, an important commentator of the common law doesn't have the same definition of "natural born" that Vattel does.

26 posted on 08/25/2009 3:05:46 PM PDT by x
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To be an American has nothing to do with race. It has to do with being a person cloaked in liberty – free from monarchy, free of repression, free forever.

And herein lies the problem with B.O.

27 posted on 08/25/2009 4:03:26 PM PDT by Faith
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*lightbulb moment*

Ok , So Obama is an unconstitutional President because his father was a British citizen.

Get that a$$ OUT of MY house!


28 posted on 08/25/2009 4:45:36 PM PDT by Danae (- Conservative does not equal Republican. Conservative does not compromise.)
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To: jzlouis

Regardless of where this all ends up, God bless those UCONN students for their tireless dedication to getting to the truth, whatever it may be.

I scrolled quickly through the Collins article and found one very interesting piece that potentially could knock out one of the arguments I (and some others) have made. We’ve been arguing to date that citizenship is passed through the father (thus the Wilson and Hoover argument ‘mother not born in US’ does not hold water; both fathers were US citizens).

However, in the Collins article, while he confirms that citizenship is passed through the father if the child is legitimate, if the child is not legitimate, which many suspect in the present case, citizenship passes through the mother.

Need a lawyer to figure it all out .. actually, need a team of lawyers. Or good UCONN law students ;)


38 posted on 08/25/2009 5:46:37 PM PDT by EDINVA (A government that robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul -- G. B. Shaw)
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The Spirit of Fairfeild lives on. Love you Sherman! Remember the LEXINGTON ALARM!
41 posted on 08/25/2009 6:31:01 PM PDT by April Lexington (Study the constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: jzlouis

What is the difference between “common law” (mentioned in the article as not present/recognized in the United States) and “natural law”?

Thanks


62 posted on 08/26/2009 9:20:51 AM PDT by tyou48
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