Health Care Debate: As Charges of Nazism Abound, Which Side Is Right?

Start Thinking Right ^ | August 10, 2009 | Michael Eden

[chicagolady]

Fringe Mobs Targeting Health Care Reform
From: Charles Paidock” cpaidock@hotmail.com

Marc Laitin
> AFL-CIO Online Mobilization Coordinator
>
> P.S. We are going to win this fight, but we can’t do it without
> hard work. The Republicans and their corporate allies are going
> all out to stop reform, and the next 30 days are going to be
> critical. Call your representative toll free: 1-877-702-0976
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Employers don’t have any use for people who aren’t healthy enough to work and make them rich. CP

> Subject: Fringe Mobs Targeting Health Care Reform
>

>
> Across the country, a small group of radical right-wingers are
> engaging in an all-out effort to stop real health care reform.
> There is little doubt that this increased level of coordinated
> activity is because we are closer to reform than we have been in
> more than 50 years.
>
> While we are getting closer to real reform, we can’t let up yet.
> We need to keep fighting to ensure that our voices are heard
> over the unruly mobs. More than 75 percent of America’s workers
> support President Obama’s plan for real health care reform, and
> we cannot allow a small band of angry zealots to stand in our
> way.
>
> Currently, fringe right-wing opponents of health care reform are
> focused on disrupting congressional town hall meetings. And
> we’ll be e-mailing you directly if we learn about town hall
> meetings near you. In the meantime, we need you to call your
> U.S. representative’s district office today and remind him or
> her to support real health care reform this year.
>
> Call your representative toll free: 1-877-702-0976
>
> The progress Congress has made so far toward reform has come
> thanks in part to the more than 50,000 phone calls made last
> week by activists like you. As of today, four congressional
> committees have approved health care reform bills with a quality
> public health insurance option, a requirement for employers to
> pay their fair share and no taxation of workers’ existing health
> care benefits.
>
> This is a remarkable achievement, and the furthest we’ve come in
> 50 years toward providing affordable, secure and stable health
> care for all. We still have a ways to go, and while the media
> loves to highlight all the bumps in the road, it’s important to
> remember two things: We have yet to lose a significant vote in
> Congress this year on health reform, and the president, his
> staff and leaders in Congress are all committed to enacting
> health care reform this year.
>
> Call your representative toll free: 1-877-702-0976
>
> If you have a chance to speak with your member of Congress or a
> staff member, here is a question and a few talking points you
> might find helpful. But personal stories are often the most
> powerful way to communicate the need for reform, so feel free to
> tell your own story.
>
> * Will you side with health insurers and vote for legislation
> that continues their control over health care, or vote for
> reform that puts patients and their doctors in charge of their
> health care?
>
> * I want real health care reform with:
>
> — A quality public health insurance option.
> — A requirement for employers to pay their fair share.
> — No taxation of workers’ existing health care benefits.
>
> Thank you for your support,
>
> Marc Laitin
> AFL-CIO Online Mobilization Coordinator
>
> P.S. We are going to win this fight, but we can’t do it without
> hard work. The Republicans and their corporate allies are going
> all out to stop reform, and the next 30 days are going to be
> critical. Call your representative toll free: 1-877-702-0976
> —————————————————————————
>
> If you received this message from a friend, you can sign up for
> Working Families e-Activist Network at:
>
> http://www.unionvoice.org/wfean/join.html?r=sda2F_1qD8CtE
>

[Michael Eden]

I was watching the Military channel over the weekend and came across this statement by a journalist who questioned Hitler’s Nazism:

“I am writing this from cell 24. Outside a new Germany is being created. Many millions are rejoicing. Hitler is promising everyone precisely what they want. I think when they wake to their sobering senses, they will find they have been led by the nose and duped by lies.”

There have been way too many false promises being made by Obama, and way too many vicious political reprisals by the government against those who don’t buy those promises, to suit me.

[Michael Eden]

Appreciate your posting that, ChicagoLady.

I was looking for one of those emails that are somehow exactly like the worst of what liberals claim conservatives are sending, only different (because only liberals have the right to “organize”).

Now I don’t have to look.

I will always wonder how liberals’ heads don’t explode from trying to contain all the contradictions and hypocrisy.

[EdReform]

BTTT

[nmh]

ALL that is going on here, with the “snitch website”, is giving Obama a pass for a DICTATORSHIP! Yes, I mean a dictatorship. We are working up to the movie “1984” by George Orwell. Animal Farm by George Orwell is a good, get up to speed, book and movie to 1984. Any disagreement with the government is NOT tolerated. Intimidation, force and ignoring YOU and smearing YOU are all part of the plan.

WAKE UP AMERICA!

[cubreporter]

pilohseeeee started it didn’t she? Accusing citizens of this country carrying swastiks? Don’t know how to spell it and don’t much care. However, she ACCUSED our citizens of carrying such a terrible, terrible flag. How dare she?

She didn’t much care when they called George W. Bush a NAZI did she? Well, waht’s good for one is good for the other. She began this whole scene...now let her try and fix it.

[mdmathis6]

Using what force? An army he can’t trust?

[nmh]

Union members are the first line of defense.

I wonder about the military ... can he trust them?

I KNOW they despise him ... what will they do? If they do a coup, what kind of a country will the U.S. be then? We have to be careful ... .

[Michael Eden]

It’s pathetic.

Pelosi trots out and demonizes American citizens as swastika-carrying anti-American mobs, and that is fine.

Rush Limbaugh says, “If you want to see a damn swastika, why don’t you look at Obama’s ObamaCare symbol?”

And the mainstream media comes unglued, and the White House threatens yet another American citizen for exercising his free speech rights.

The PEOPLE are compared to Nazis; the government which is suppressing free speech and demonizing citizens for political purposes CAN’T be compared to Nazis.

We need to start asking and answering the question: “What would I have done in 1932-33 as the Nazi party began to rise from political party to dictatorial regime?”

[Jeff Head]

People need only read Ezekiel Emanuel's words themselves to know...as you have posted here. Here's more quotes from him, all cited.

EZEKIEL EMANUEL AND THE OBAMA CARE FINAL SOLUTION
(Must Read - Sick, eugenics quotes of Emanuel)

The man is a modern day Dr. Mengele...and he is also the Chief Advisor to the President of the United States on Health Care, and a Policy Advisor to Congress on the same, so you know his beliefs are going to be written into the language to move us all, carefully in that direction.

OBAMA CARE BY THE NUMBERS

THE STORM UNLEASHED ON AMERICA

A PETITION ON FACEBOOK FOR CONSTITUTIONAL RESTORATION

A 4TH OF JULY TEA PARTY SPEECH

...and on the lighter side, take your mind off the Obamanation for a few minutes and enjoy some beautiful Western US scenery slideshows.

JEFF HEAD'S WESTERN US SCENERY SLIDE SHOWS

[Yaelle]

I just noticed the crowd of people in the background of this symbol.

I assume these are the people waiting in line for basic health care needs.

[Michael Eden]

Jeff,
I appreciate your work gathering those quotes from Ezekiel Emanuel.

Confronting these bastards with their own words is far and away the best way to expose them for what they are and defeat them.

Frankly, if the Dems pass some kind of healthcare and claim victory I’ll be fine - as long as it doesn’t include or lead to a “public option.” Sadly, whatever they do will hurt, not help, health care. They refuse to even consider the most obvious solutions that would dramatically lower the cost of health care (such as ‘loser pays,’ limiting ‘free health care’ to American citizens, etc.).

I’m glad there are trench fighters like you at work!

[ctdonath2]

The essence of the issue:

There are three sociopolitically sacred relationships:
- husband/wife
- clergy/parishioner
- doctor/patient

Any government which attempts to insert itself into the middle of one (or more) of those relationships is an oppressive totalitarian dictatorship. Lacking a good linguistic way to express this in common English, citizens object by likening attempts to institute such dictatorial governance with major historical instances thereof - hence the flaming rhetoric being applied and decried.

[bethtopaz]

Hi Michael,

I appreciate your personal page. I feel the same way.

[RJS1950]

No, those are the wraiths of all the people that the Nazi democrats will deem unworthy to live under his plan.

[Michael Eden]

Interesting point, ctdonath2.

One of the things I notice is that the first two of your “sacred three” relationships are religious in nature. Marriage has historically been intrinsically religious, “wed in the sight of God” - and the idea of the “civil ceremony” is quite recent in human history.

I think what many people see is a loss of transcendence that leads to and feeds to government interference in all three relationships.

Modern Europe, which has socialized health care, is clearly not “Nazi.” They have learned JUST enough about their dives into past socialism to prevent another similar dive (at least for the time being). But they have also divorced themselves from religion.

Interestingly, Germany was the LEAST religious country in Europe prior even to World War I. And that religious vacuum was filled with something else - something which turned out to be terrible.

Ultimately, when we see a government takeover of something so personal as health care and end of life issues, it is VERY appropriate to question what that system is based on, and what it may very well (all protests aside) lead to.

The Judeo-Christian values life, free will, and conscience. Very few other systems of thought can sustain these values. That’s why every single socialist utopia has not only failed, but become monstrous.

[Michael Eden]

I “visited” your page, and RIGHT BACK ATCHA!

I would like to take this opportunity to honor both you and your son Joel for his service and commitment to this one nation under God that we love.

Every son or daughter who serves this nation as a soldier is a living testament to the character and values of his or her parents.

[Brookhaven]

I wonder about the military ... can he (Obama) trust them?
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

No.

A perfect example was the attempted coup against Gorbachov by Communist party hardliners. The took Gorbachov hostage (issuing a statement that Gorby had health problems) and took control of the government. They ordered the Soviet army to start supressing dissent (including firing upon Soviet citizens.)

The Soviet army refused, and instead surrounded the building the coup members were in, forced them to surrender, and returned Gorbochov to power (the Soveit Union fell not long thereafter.)

The Soviet army was brutal, and had no problem supressing people in other countries. They were also ultra-patriotic. There were not going to fire on their own citizens, nor allow a coup to take place.

America has an all volunteer army. The majority are very patriotic and belive they are fighting to protect the rights of American citizens. If ordered to fire upon American citizens in a wholesale manner, I think a significant number would simply refuse.

If Obama (or any president) attempted to hold onto power by nullifying an election or some other scheme, I’m not sure they could hold on. They would probably find themselves in a similar situation to the Soviet coup members.

[bethtopaz]

Thanks, Michael (my favorite male name -— but it’s gotta be Michael, not Mike)!

I just read this article, hat tip from Jeff Head’s (www.jeffhead.com) website. It’s absolutely chilling.

I’m not really good at posting and I’m sure it’s been posted before, but this might be a great time to do it again.

If you can do it, it would be great:

http://www.nypost.com/seven/07242009/postopinion/opedcolumnists/deadly_doctors_180941.htm?page=2