And where does it do that? Not on the SS-5 form used to apply for a Social Security number or to change citizenship status. So where does it make this distinction?
You know I’m good for it. I’ll provide it shortly.
And I look forward to seeing it.
So clearly at least two government agencies recognize that there is no clear distinction whether or not a citizen born outside the U.S. is also natural born. A Supreme Court ruling is needed.
The Social Security Administration would be one. Which is number two?
Please check out Leo Donofrio’s blog regarding native born versus natural born. I believe they are the same, but I could be “misremembering.”
Both Berg and Donofrio have raised the natural born citizenship question. However, Donofrion concedes Obama's birth in Hawaii and is raising the question of how natural born citizen is defined. I have read a lot of what he has to say, but I'm not convinced he's correct.
Typing from phone - please forgive grammar. SS Disability paperwork. Will provide link or scanned image tonight after work. (Father-in-law disabled.)
2nd agency would be foreign affairs.
Donofrio concedes his likely birth in Hawaii. The truth is we just don't know.
Are you not convinced about a natural born citizen being born in the U.S. to two citizen parents or about native=natural?
The online application for social security disability benefits is where you must stipulate the type of citizenship you hold. It lists the three choices I provided earlier. I don’t know what the form number is or if the printed form lists the same options. I have printed screen shots at home of the report I filled out for my father-in-law. I will black out his personal information tonight and scan it in for you.
If you’re just dying to see the form right now, you can also go the SSA Disability Home website, select “apply for adult 18 years and older,” and then select “apply online.” You can cancel out of the process without actually completing it.
On the Identification Tab, page 3 is the Birth and Citizenship Information page. There were five questions in my father-in-law’s case.
Were you born in the U.S. or a U.S. territory or commonwealth? Yes/No.
City of birth. (Free-format text field)
State of birth. (Drop-down list)
U.S. Citizen? Yes/No
Type of Citizenship. (Drop-down list: U.S. Citizen born inside U.S.; U.S. Citizen born outside U.S.; Naturalized Citizen)
a. It has never been determined definitively by a court whether a person who acquired U.S. citizenship by birth abroad to U.S. citizens is a natural born citizen within the meaning of Article II of the Constitution and, therefore, eligible for the Presidency.
b. Section 1, Article II, of the Constitution states, in relevant part that “No Person except a natural born Citizen...shall be eligible for the Office of President;”
c. The Constitution does not define "natural born". The “Act to establish an Uniform Rule of Naturalization”, enacted March 26, 1790, (1 Stat. 103,104) provided that, “...the children of citizens of the United States, that may be born ... out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens: Provided that the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons whose fathers have never been resident in the United States.”
d. This statute is no longer operative, however, and its formula is not included in modern nationality statutes. In any event, the fact that someone is a natural born citizen pursuant to a statute does not necessarily imply that he or she is such a citizen for Constitutional purposes.
But the distinction between classes of citizen only really matters for eligibility to the office of President. The Constitutional meaning has never been tested in Court, and this should not be surprising. There have not been many opportunities to hear such a case, and only one other were the person actually became President. But his disability, if he had one, was not discovered until well after he had left office. Chester Arthur did take measures to hide the fact that his father was not a US citizen at the time of his birth, although he was born in the US, and of a US Citizen mother... just like BHO may have been. But if BHO was not born in the US, but rather outside of it,then under the law in effect at the time, he wasn't even a "Citizen at Birth", which precludes him being a "natural born citizen". For being a citizen at birth is only a necessary condition for being a "Natural Born Citizen", not necessarily a sufficient one.