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To: Non-Sequitur

What actually constitutes a ‘natural born citizen’.

Based on which of the 3 scenarios I posted above you chose, a number of past presidential candidates are not ‘natural born’, including John McCain!


What constitutes a natural born citizen? Per the law, the Constitution, and any number of Supreme Court cases it’s someone who is born in the U.S. regardless of the nationality of the parents, with specific exceptions for children of diplomats, foreign heads of state, and enemy aliens held in the U.S during time of war. Or it is someone who, under certain specific circumstances, was born outside of the U.S. Simple as that.

Look at the link in Post 51. And then Google ‘Natural Born Citizen”

There are court cases all over the place. Parents both citizens, born anywhere, Born in the US, parents don’t matter, and Parents must be citizens, born in the US.

And what are your ‘certain specific circumstances’?


119 posted on 06/17/2009 10:30:09 AM PDT by chaosagent (Remember, no matter how you slice it, forbidden fruit still tastes the sweetest!)
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To: chaosagent

Non-Sequitur is operating on the assumption that there are only two forms of citizenship, naturalized or natural born. So when NS responds you must read between the lines ... NS doesn’t recognize anything special regarding natural born citizen, for the purposes of conflating the issues to fit his/her/its approach to illiciting reactions on the threads. This discussion is a source for personal amusement for Non-Sequitur, by his/her/its own admission on previous occasions.


120 posted on 06/17/2009 10:41:11 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: chaosagent
Look at the link in Post 51.

There is no link in Post 51.

There are court cases all over the place. Parents both citizens, born anywhere, Born in the US, parents don’t matter, and Parents must be citizens, born in the US.

Well I've read the ones which say the nationality of the parent doesn't matter but I'm not familiar with a single court decision that supports the idea that only a person born in the U.S. of two U.S. citizen parents is a natural born citizen. Nor am I familiar with any case that defines three or more classes of citizenship. Can you point me to one?

And what are your ‘certain specific circumstances’?

Currently? A person born born outside of the U.S. and its outlying possessions of parents, both of whom are citizens of the U.S. and one of whom has lived in the U.S. or one of its outlying possessions before the birth; a person born outside of the U.S. and its outlying possessions of parents, one of whom is a citizen of the United States who had lived in the U.S. or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year prior to the birth and the other of whom is a national, but not a citizen of the U.S.; a person born in an outlying possession of the U.S. of parents, one of whom is a citizen who had lived in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year at any time prior to the birth; or a person born outside the U.S. and its outlying possessions of parents; one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the U.S. who, prior to the birth, had lived in the U.S. or its outlying possessions for at least a total of five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years.

122 posted on 06/17/2009 11:03:27 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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