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To: Eva
In fascism the “people” don’t own anything. It is privately owned and state controlled.

Again, a distinction without a difference. One way to explain this is: In Fascism, pieces of paper that are called 'titles' mean nothing. The 'owners' own that piece of meaningless paper, but nothing of real value. The state owns - by virtue of absolute control over - the real value of business.

If I sent you a piece of paper that said you 'own' General Motors, that wouldn't make it so. Neither did the pieces of paper that Fascists allow people to hold.

And so, either the word 'own' becomes tied to a worthless piece of paper - in which case you are right, and property is privately 'owned' and state controlled, but ownership means nothing. Or the word 'own' is tied to having rights over the property, in which case the state 'owns' the property because those holding the worthless pieces of paper have no rights.

The one virtue of a nominally socialist system is that at least they don't pretend that there are any 'rights' associated with private property. But since the fascists only pretend that there are private property rights it is - again - a distinction without a real difference.
19 posted on 05/13/2009 1:12:17 PM PDT by Phlyer
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To: Phlyer

That is true under the Obama fascism, but it wasn’t exactly true under the original fascism. The old fascism was based on favoritism that killed competition and controlled prices. It wasn’t based on benefit to the people. It was based on benefit to the state. The state and people are not the same entity in a fascist regime. That’s the difference.

Under Obamism the unions and the state are the same entity. Obama is determined to “return the wealth” to the workers from whom, he “feels” it was stolen. Plainly Obama wants a redistribution of wealth, transfering the ownership to the unions, but controlled by the government. That’s why it’s neither true socialism nor true fascism. Obama seems to think that the real entrepreneurs will work for next to nothing to the benefit of the unions. Obama can’t even find people to work for his administration, how does he think he’s going to find people to run “private” industry for the government and unions?


22 posted on 05/13/2009 1:54:44 PM PDT by Eva (union motto - Aim for mediocrity, it's only fair.)
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