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1 posted on 04/16/2009 8:36:02 PM PDT by Kartographer
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Yes it’s too late and yes we are headed there.


39 posted on 04/17/2009 5:28:39 AM PDT by Centurion2000 (01-20-2009 : The end of the PAX AMERICANA.)
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At this time I think the odds are against it. I agree with Jack and put it at 20%. But my reason's are different.

I see BO not as the beginning of something new in our history but the culmination of a trend that began during the Progressive Era, was accelerated under FDR and reached it's apex under LBJ and Goldwater's defeat in 1964.

I view Obama as an American Gorbachev. He , and all his supporters are on the wrong side of History. He is trying to save the Welfare State and Central Banking......both poisons that entered the American blood stream at the beginning of the 20th century.Socialism/Communism/Statism, whatever you want to call it is dying before our eyes

But it may die a violent death....and for that reason sporadic,armed conflict is a possibility....but in the end we will win, just like the slaves of Eastern Europe finally through off their dead weight government.

Reagan was right, hard communism,Soviet style was doomed...what he failed to notice is that soft communism, American style is also doomed.

Anyway, that's how it looks to me this morning.

40 posted on 04/17/2009 5:35:36 AM PDT by mick (Central Banker Capitalism is NOT Free Enterprise)
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There are two kinds of “civil war”, which most people confuse.

The “civil war” usually imagined by US citizens, modeled after “The Late Unpleasantness” (aka other names) and the “Revolutionary War”, has a pretty clear geographic dividing line, and seeks to separate the country along that line. One side wants division, the other union.

The “civil war” more commonly experienced abroad is a struggle over who controls the country - no division per se, but a fight for the reigns of power. Whether that stems from a popular uprising or coup d’etat, there is no attempt to divide the country.

While Americans worry about the former, it will be the latter. There is a geographic division of political ideology, but it is drawn around cities, dividing urban from rural. Even in the “reddest” states, the cities’ core is blue. While geographically divisible, it divides like islands from the sea. This is not viable for a secession-oriented civil war, any more than it is to remove the sea from an island chain.

Given a geographic “sea of red” punctuated by pockets of “blue”, with the latter trying to impose its views on the former, we can only expect a struggle for the reigns of power while maintaining a geographically unified nation. Given the existing thicket of legal red tape so hopelessly tangled that none can achieve change by untying it, recall the solution to the Gordian Knot. Given the extreme debt racked up in the last few months, with more to come, the only way to pay it off is hyperinflation (i.e.: not to). Given the coddling of enemies and demonization of normal citizens (by alleged tolerance-worshipping pacifists), polite discourse will be impossible. This all leaves only one path.


41 posted on 04/17/2009 6:07:37 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (John Galt was exiled.)
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Conservatives are peaceful.

If you look at all the riots and burning of cities in this country in modern times, it's always been done by liberals.

Liberals are violent - we're not.

47 posted on 04/17/2009 8:09:34 PM PDT by GOPJ (The New York Times can compress the most words into the smallest ideas of anyone- bow to Lincoln)
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Civil war? Far be it from me to give the Obamite pigs an excuse to F* with me. But it is clear there are bad times coming, a nasty stench and meanness oozing from Washington that will have to be stanched, one way or the other.
51 posted on 04/17/2009 9:10:21 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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"Are we head toward a civil war between those who wish to continue living under a Free Market/Republic and those who wish to move to a Socialist/Democracy?"

I believe so. Many, many people I know think so. The majority of Tea Party-goers I've spoken with believe so. A great many people posting on this and other forums believe so. Chuck Norris seems to believe so. Ted Nugent seems to believe so. Rick Perry may actually have come to his senses and finally believe so.

The good news is that we are better armed, equipped, and prepared than "they" are.

The bad news is that the (bloated, power-crazed federal) government supports them.

53 posted on 04/20/2009 9:00:21 AM PDT by ronnyquest ("That's what governments are for, to get in a man's way.")
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To be truly free, we must be willing to lose everything.


54 posted on 04/20/2009 9:05:14 AM PDT by stevio (Crunchy Con - God, guns, guts, and organically grown crunchy nuts.)
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