[mysterio]

A little more explanation? For years now? I won’t attack if you say Bush caused that.

Bush didn't cause it, he continued it. The attacks on the Bill of Rights are almost as old as the country. Most recently, however, the drug war resulted in massive increases in police power. In some areas, they can seize your property on mere suspicion that "drugs" are somehow involved. Carnivore and massive new NSA spying started under Clinton. And the "patriot" act was a knee jerk response to 9/11. Actually, there wasn't much in the patriot act that wasn't requested by the Janet Reno justice department ten years earlier. Had Al Gore suggested the patriot act, I think the reaction to it here would have been much different.

But that's all water under the bridge now. People get the government they want and the level of freedom they want. I hope that eventually people start valuing liberty again.

[VR-21]

"The attacks on the Bill of Rights are almost as old as the country. Most recently, however, the drug war resulted in massive increases in police power."

It's impossible for some to realize that sometimes the cure is worse than the disease. The WOD not only resulted in increases in police power, but also in police and official corruption. We've come to accept unprecedented levels of surveillance in our society. We've also succeeded in making some of the scummiest people on earth wealthy, and their lifestyles something that young people try to emulate. The only thing that hasn't been accomplished, is putting a dent in people's willingness to purchase and use that crap. The lessons of history...(George Santayana please pick-up the white courtesy phone).