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1 posted on 02/18/2009 12:37:27 PM PST by LibertyandGrace
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Just joined today & your first post is........????


2 posted on 02/18/2009 12:40:04 PM PST by Seeking the truth (Obama "Zero" faux postage stamps, tees, mousepads, bumper stickers - 0cents.com)
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Liberals holding Lincoln Day dinners, now that’s a new one. We should thank them for honoring our favorite Republican President.


3 posted on 02/18/2009 12:41:53 PM PST by Eva (CHANGE- the post modern euphemism for Marxist revolution.)
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I smell a DUmmie!


4 posted on 02/18/2009 12:41:56 PM PST by txnativegop (God Bless America! (NRA-Endowment))
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To: LibertyandGrace

I guess that I should have read the article before commenting. Anyway, we will continue to hail Lincoln as the most famous Republican President for no other reason than the fact that he ended slavery, the sacred cow of the left.


6 posted on 02/18/2009 12:44:13 PM PST by Eva (CHANGE- the post modern euphemism for Marxist revolution.)
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To: LibertyandGrace

You’re new, and it shows.


7 posted on 02/18/2009 12:45:29 PM PST by Crawdad (Barack Obama hates black people.)
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Lincoln supported the 1861 Corwin amendment to the Constitution that would legalize slavery.

He sent warships to Charleston in early April, 1861.

He congratulated one of his people for starting the war.

What else do we need to know?

10 posted on 02/18/2009 12:55:13 PM PST by PeaRidge
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Us Southerners have never held a very high opinion of Mr. Lincoln. I don’t care what party he was from.


11 posted on 02/18/2009 12:56:47 PM PST by BubbaBasher (Providence moves slowly, but the devil always hurries.)
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Lincoln was such the conservative that, while horrified at slavery, he sought to ensure the South that he would not force his views upon the nation. Parse again the statement that supposedly proves him a white supremacist: "I, as much as any other man, am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race."

Notice that he says ASSIGNED to the white race; that reflects the fact that he did not hold this position to be inherent.

Now, as you point out, it's true that Lincoln did not free the slaves by the emancipation proclamation. But is it reasonable to suppose that the party he founded passed the amendments to do so against his will?

Lastly, there is this contempibly ignorant statement from your source:

The preservation of a voluntary union can never be achieved through force. The Southern states chose to withdraw from the Union in response to policies they considered to be unconstitutional and harmful to their liberty, peace, and prosperity. The Southern cause was one of independence and not slavery
In fact, the north withdrew its forces from several bases to one military base which was quite unsuitable for launching an aggressive attack. This was entirely consistent with Lincoln's assurances he would not impose his position on the South. But what the South saw in Lincoln was a drive to populate the West, and to prevent the West from becoming a slavery-based economy. Instead, landsteaders could move West instead of being bound to an aristocracy of landholders. The South needed more than to assert states' rights; it needed to crush Northern expansionism, which would eventually make slave-holding unprofitable. This is why the issue of slavery suddenly got hot again under President Polk.

Your author tries to have it both ways; he buys into the War of Northern Aggression nonsense, yet asserts that Lincoln had no interest in ending slavery. The truth is that Lincoln had found a way to likely end slavery without using such an anti-conservative means as imposing the North's laws onto the South: allow the free hand of the market to abolish slavery. Therein is what is so fantastic about conservativism: since it relies on natural law, it permits natural law to correct injustice. Thus, apparently competing goals, such as states' rights AND putting an end to slavery can be met. Or a southerner would later say about social security; Abe would see slavery to wither on the vine

Sadly, due to the belligerence of the South, a much more bloody course of nationalism, instead of republicanism, was followed.

12 posted on 02/18/2009 2:06:40 PM PST by dangus
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Interesting, perhaps he’s right. It’s always good to shine the light on historic personalities. I, for instance, look forward to the day we can all listen to the taped recordings of Martin Luther King made by the FBI. I hear there may be some VERY revealing information on those tapes.


15 posted on 02/18/2009 2:55:48 PM PST by MSF BU (++)
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“When I was younger
“I used to tip cows for fun, yeah,
“Actually I didn’t do that
“’Cause I didn’t want the cow to be sad...”


27 posted on 02/19/2009 9:57:38 AM PST by RichInOC (No! BAD Rich! (What'd I say?))
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Thanks for the post. As can be seen by some of the uneducated posts on this thread, the real Lincoln needs exposing.


46 posted on 02/20/2009 3:02:41 PM PST by BnBlFlag (Deo Vindice/Semper Fidelis "Ya gotta saddle up your boys; Ya gotta draw a hard line")
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