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I view Obama as possibly the most divisive President we have ever had, including Lincoln. In a nation with rapidly changing demographics--by 2023 half of the children 18 and under will be minorties and by 2042, half of the country will be minorities--and a growing wealth disparity between rich and poor with Hispanics and blacks being the majority of the poor and non-Hispanic whties and asians the "rich," I can see Obama's populist rhetoric polarizing this country even more. Redistribution of wealth will be achieved thru the ballot box as our democratic institutions are taken over by those who don't pay taxes.

ROTFLMAO!

Hyperbole and misstatement of facts???

In the first place, you’re taking on my statemnets about his margin of victory on a thread about STARTING A CIVIL WAR but I am being heperbolic? Good Lord man. That was your priority? Correcting my position on the margin of his victory?

In the second place, my facts were accurate from a popular vote position. I never said % and I admitted that other had won by larger margins % wise.

I’m sorry I started this. Not one person here has bothered to address the fact that this post was about the fact that a “violent and bloody war” will start and that WE may be forced to some of us will be forced to “support some violent people we normally shun and despise.”

But you go ahead. You be pedantic and keep pounding me on whether or not 55% or 53% or %57 is a big victory. On whether on not I was wrong about the margin of Barry’s pounding of McCain.

LOL. When you engage in hyperbole and mistatement of facts, you undermine your case. Obama is a polarizing figure. Civil War may be hyperbole as well, but there is a definite possibility that this country will be Balkanized politically and if an amnesty is passed, along cultural and linguistic lines. Obama has firm control of the levers of power in this country as no President of either party has had since LBJ.

Maybe there is some wank in the scenario that the Russian professor put out last month about the U.S. balkanizing and I don't think it will turn out quite like he says but I do see a breakup in our future if current things continue. We have "jumped the shark." Some say we did in 1865 (South lost the Civil War), 1914 (Woodrow Wilson, income tax & Federal Reserve), 1933 (FDR), 1965 (LBJ's "great society"), I really don't know if they could be shark jumping moments but I know the election of BO is.

If I may have a crack at it, I think there will be some sort of economic collapse and martial law comes about and you start seeing the State rise up against it. Perhaps somewhere, someone on Earth panics and we have a limited atomic war, think of the TV show "Jericho." Or maybe it could happen in reverse but I daresay you'll end up pretty much the same thereafter.

Hmmm, you might see a "New Confederacy" split with a "New Africa" in the South, maybe a post-Castro Cuba united with Southern Florida, Ecotopia in the Northwest, California becomes "The Bear Republic," "Atzlan" in the Southwest, an Independent Texas perhaps, a more conservative Northeast maybe along with a similar Midwest and perhaps some Indian nations tossed in. Utah will become the Mormon's "Deseret Republic." Oh yeah, Alaska and Hawaii will be independent. The alternative, perhaps we would return to a system where the States are more powerful much like the original intent of the Constitution.

It's like we have two separate basic visions in this country, although you have subdivisions too, but overall, one of the other would belong in either camp. One vision is they want the U.S. to be like Europe, the other is to be a place of liberty. It is fast becoming where the two sides have differences that cannot be resolved and when one side pushes the other into a corner, there is nothing left to lose. Janis Joplin even said, "Freedom is another word for 'nothing left to lose'" and I say it looks like our side is the one being backed into the corner.

There is a side of me that says maybe we need to breakup and go our separate ways, yet we can remain friends and trading partners, we just cannot live in the same house anymore. Worst case is that we break off and take the parts that are with us and parts we can salvage and practice triage and let the parts go we cannot save and leave those for later when the libs finally make such a mess, they can't get out of it and collapse to where we have to come in and fix it.