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To: allmendream; Jaime2099
Humans are still apes. Nothing is science is ever a “proof”, merely evidence.

Then you cannot definitively state that humans ARE apes. You could state that they appear to be apes, or that they appear to be related to apes, but you cannot make any statement of fact as if it were true, written in stone, settled science.

The classification of species into taxonomic groups is a man-made construct. Someone had to decide that man was an ape to put us there. That was a human decision, not at all binding (for lack of a better word) or authoritative.

So if you want to consider that you are an ape, by all means, you are free to do so, but don't go including the rest of us.

924 posted on 01/07/2009 7:51:36 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom

“they appear to be related to apes”
Yes, they do.

“but you cannot make any statement of fact as if it were true, written in stone, settled science.”

Nothing is written in stone. One can make the statement that there is good evidence to support the conclusion stated above, just as there is good evidence to support most scientific conclusions.

“The classification of species into taxonomic groups is a man-made construct. “
- So is our definition of the electron. but it seems to help.

“So if you want to consider that you are an ape, by all means, you are free to do so, but don’t go including the rest of us.”
- Classifications came 150 years prior to the theory of evolution. genetics just ties the two together in a reasonable way.
- Are you a member of the Animal Kingdom? The Class Chordata? The Mammals?
Just trying to see how wide this thinking goes.


1,027 posted on 01/07/2009 3:01:53 PM PST by WOSG (Obama - a born in the USA socialist)
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To: metmom; allmendream
"Then you cannot definitively state that humans ARE apes. You could state that they appear to be apes, or that they appear to be related to apes, but you cannot make any statement of fact as if it were true, written in stone, settled science."

Precisely, bravo. The belief that the evolution of man is a fact is nothing more than a belief and faith. They won't admit it because, if they do, then they must respect our belief of creationism and give it equal standing in science with their own belief of evolution. This would cause both to be taught to our children and most will believe in creationism when given the choice and proper education about both theories. Evolutionist know this all too well. That is why they want only their theory and not creationism in schools. Only an atheist, or someone who has been force feed a glamorized version of Human Evolution in the educational system, would accept Human Evolution as a scientific fact or even a sound scientific theory proven true through the scientific method.
1,035 posted on 01/07/2009 4:24:53 PM PST by Jaime2099
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To: metmom
Then you cannot definitively state that humans ARE apes. You could state that they appear to be apes, or that they appear to be related to apes, but you cannot make any statement of fact as if it were true, written in stone, settled science.

I don't think there is anything called "settled science" because science is always willing to consider new evidence which challenges the generally-accepted conclusions.

Not many people have trouble accepting that lions, tigers, and housecats are all felines, or that coyotes, wolves, and poodles are all canines. But putting humans into the ape family causes nausea among some like you.

I have a revelation for you. All human knowledge is a manmade construct. Even which writings to include in the Bible was a manmade construct. You can argue that decision was inspired, but if the scientists told you their decisions were equally inspired, would that change things?

The fact is that humans have the ability to process and sort information in a logical manner, if they choose to. You may not like being cousins to the chimpanzees, but you can't choose your relatives.

1,036 posted on 01/07/2009 4:36:36 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: metmom

According to the science of zoology humans are apes. There is no molecular or morphological difference that would set us apart. The two closest related apes are humans and chimpanzees according to DNA evidence.


1,053 posted on 01/07/2009 6:15:04 PM PST by allmendream (Wealth is EARNED not distributed, so how could it be redistributed?)
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