Which is why evos try so hard to distance themselves from it.
I've asked several times now where the first cell came from, what it evolved from and all I get are .......
[[Perhaps one day you’ll learn the difference between “explain” and “assert.”]]
I EXPLAINED to you that Amino acids do not form protiens- I explained to you that the forces needed to create amino acids would destroy the very thing it ‘created’, I also explained to you that dna can not survive on it’s own- IF you woudl like further clarification, just ask, and I’ll promptly ignore your request because the info is readily available to you online, and I’ve presented evidence in these forums for quite some time now explainign it further, which I know you’ve read before because I’ve been in ‘discussions with you’ before where you ALSO ignored the evidences, and resorted to petty insults as your defense- these aren’t assertions, they are explanations as to why Macroevolution is biologically impossible right fro mthe start
For anyone else wanting further clarification however,
“The Emergence Of The First Living Cell
It has actually been proved that it is impossible for the first living cell, or even just one of the millions of protein molecules in that cell, to have come about by chance. This has been demonstrated not only
by experiments and observations, but also by mathematical calculations of probability. In other words, evolution collapses at the very first step: that of explaining the emergence of the first living cell.
Not only could the cell, the smallest unit of life, never have come about by chance in the primitive and uncontrolled conditions in the early days of the Earth, as evolutionists would have us believe, it cannot even be synthesized in the most advanced laboratories of the twentieth
century.
Amino acids, the building blocks of the proteins that make up the living cell, cannot of themselves build such organelles in the cell as mitochondria, ribosomes, cell membranes, or the endoplasmic reticulum, let alone a whole cell. For this reason, the claim that evolution brought about the first cell by chance remains the product of
a fantasy based entirely on imagination. The living cell, which still harbours many secrets that have not been explained, is one of the major
difficulties facing the theory of evolution.”
http://groups.google.com/group/unitarian_jihad/browse_thread/thread/1beb2315960beb4c
you can also find more indepth clarification of htese explanations at sites like:
“Initial StudiesEarly studies on possible prebiotic membranes began in the late 1950’s using aggregated colloidal particles1 and lipid-like surfactants.2 Subsequent studies by Oparin examined the possible role of coacervates as membranes.3 Even though these complexes are unsuitable as possible membrane material because they are inherently unstable, lack the ability to provide a permeability barrier, and lack the ability to encapsulate metabolism, these materials are still prominently featured in modern high school biology textbooks.4
PhospholipidsThe spontaneous formation of bilayer vesicles from phospholipids was first studied in 1965.5 Although this theory comprises the dominant explanation for the appearance of membranes, it is not without challenging problems. It has been shown that fatty acids will spontaneously form phospholipids in the presence of glycerol and phosphates when heated to dryness.6 However, Monnard and Deamer point out that it would be extremely unlikely that nature would produce all three chemicals in the same location and then heat them to dryness.7
Sources of membrane building blocksLong-chain hydrocarbons can be formed from carbon monoxide and hydrogen in the presence of certain metals at high temperatures. Deep sea hydrothermal vents have been cited as a potential source of the energy required to synthesize prebiotic molecules, including the building blocks of membranes. Fatty acids and fatty alcohols have been synthesized under these conditions.8 These fatty acids will combine with ethylene glycol to form ethylene glycolyl alkanoates and bis-alkanoates, or will combine with glycerol to form monoacylglycerols and diacylglycerols.9 Others have suggested that the first membranes consisted of highly branched polyprenyl chains, instead of alkyl chains.10 However, it is unlikely that the starting material would be at sufficient concentrations10 and it also unlikely that the required phosphorylating agents would have been available on early Earth.11”
http://godandscience.org/evolution/origin_membranes.html
http://www.darwinismrefuted.com/molecular_biology_02.html
http://www.darwinismrefuted.com/molecular_biology_16.html
Which is why evos try so hard to distance themselves from it.
I've asked several times now where the first cell came from, what it evolved from and all I get are .......
Gumlegs: Perhaps one day you’ll learn the difference between “explain” and “assert.”
CottShop: I EXPLAINED to you that Amino acids do not form protiens- I explained to you that the forces needed to create amino acids would destroy the very thing it ‘created’, I also explained to you that dna can not survive on it’s own-
Simply inserting the word "explain" into a sentence doesn't make it an explanation ... or was Lincoln wrong when he said, "Calling a tail a leg doesn't make it one"?
You assert, you don't explain.
But we already knew that.
I'll comment on one more of your paragraphs:
It has actually been proved that it is impossible for the first living cell, or even just one of the millions of protein molecules in that cell, to have come about by chance. This has been demonstrated not only by experiments and observations, but also by mathematical calculations of probability. In other words, evolution collapses at the very first step: that of explaining the emergence of the first living cell.
Pretty nifty stuff.
You're asserting that someone, somewhere has performed experiments and made observations that prove -- prove! -- the impossiblilty of something having happened sometime in the distant past.
The people running these experiments and making these observations should be famous by now because they have proved a negative!
Again, you cite "mathematical calculations of probability" but don't provide any.
Anyone claiming to use mathematics to calculate the probability of the first cell forming shouldn't be wasting his/her time with the Theory of Evolution, that person should getting rich in Las Vegas! Calculating the next roll of the dice should be child's play for someone with mathematical tools so advanced. Think of it: they're claiming to calculate the probability of rolling a six using an unknown number of dice with an unknown number of faces in an unknown number of passes.
You also make the mistake of conflating the Theory of Evolution with the beginning of life, a subject the TOE specifically excludes. For someone who "DEMANDS" accuracy ... oh, never mind.
Do you know who Harun Yahya is? The link I've provided goes to his website. Below is a quote. (Note to the mods: The website the quoted material comes from has this copyright notice on the bottom of its main page: "Harun Yahya International © 2008. All rights reserved. Our materials may be copied, printed and distributed, by referring to this site." I take this to be permission to quote extensively as long as the website, www.harunhayha.com, is credited. I do so here).
The common point in all the writer's works is that all the topics covered by his works are in full agreement with the Qur'an, and strongly affirmed by Qur'anic understanding. Even the topics addressed by science and mostly considered complicated and confusing are narrated very lucidly and explicitly in the books of Harun Yahya. For this reason, these books appeal to everyone, from every age and social group.That’s from the website of the author featured in your first link. Got that? Everything he writes is calculated radical Islamic propaganda!Harun Yahya's books on faith-related topics communicate the existence and oneness of God and are written with the main purpose of introducing Islam to those who are strangers to religion, and reconciling their hearts to the truth. For Muslims, these books are advice as well as a reminder. The writer has published works on all the basic issues referred to in the Qur'an that expand the dedication and contemplation of Muslims.
Each of the author's books on science-related topics stresses the might, sublimity, and majesty of God in minute detail based on well-structured research and evidence, along with extensive contemplation. These books display, for non-Muslims, the signs of the existence of God, and the excellence of His creation in a very explicit and precise way. On the other hand, they add to the faith and submission of believers, and can serve as perfect materials for communicating Islam to other people (where religion is not practiced in its full sense). A sub-group within this series are the "Books Demolishing the Lie of Evolution". The main purpose of these books is to demolish the materialistic and atheistic philosophy which has been put forward as an alternative and rival to religion and has been imposed on the whole world since the 19th century. The great impact the books make on readers signifies that this purpose is fulfilled to a great extent. These books, just as it is stated in the Qur'an in the words "We hurl the Truth against falsehood, and it knocks out its brain" (Surat al-Anbiya, 18), demolish the brain, i.e., the thought system and ideology of the faithless system; and help complete (the revelation of) God's light (Surat as-Saff, 8). For these reasons, these books play a significant role in the intellectual war against non-belief.
The symbolic meaning of the seal of the Prophet Muhammed (May God bless him and grant him peace) on the covers of all of the books by the writer is related to the content of the books. This seal is an indication that the Qur'an is the last book and the last word of God, and our Prophet Muhammad (May God bless him and grant him peace) is the last of His messengers. By taking this attribute of the Qur'an and the Prophet, the writer seeks, in all of his works, to refute all the basic claims of the systems of disbelief and utter the "last word" which will put a definite end to the assertions of infidelity. The stamp of the Prophet Muhammed (May God bless him and grant him peace) who has the greatest honour and wisdom, is used as a prayer for the intention of saying this last word.
In all the books by the author, faith-related issues are explained in the light of the Qur'anic verses and the Hadith and people are invited to learn God's words and to live by them. All the subjects that concern God's verses are explained in such a way as to leave no room for doubt or question marks in the reader's mind. The sincere, plain and fluent style employed ensures that everyone of every age and from every social group can easily understand the books. This effective and lucid narrative makes it possible to read them in a single sitting. Even those whorigorously reject spirituality are influenced by the facts recounted in these books and cannot refute the truthfulness of their contents.
I go to the trouble of pointing this out because we all know you “DEMAND” accuracy, and to omit the above would be less than accurate … don’t you agree? Perhaps you don’t; perhaps you are as cavalier about spread radical Islamic propaganda as you are about your typing.
Here are a few convenient pull-quotes from the above material, in case reading that enormous block of text is too taxing:
“The common point in all the writer's works is that all the topics covered by his works are in full agreement with the Qur'an, and strongly affirmed by Qur'anic understanding.”
Here’s another goodie:
“Harun Yahya's books on faith-related topics communicate the existence and oneness of God and are written with the main purpose of introducing Islam to those who are strangers to religion, and reconciling their hearts to the truth.”
And to be sure the DEMAND for accuracy is fully met:
“By taking this attribute of the Qur'an and the Prophet, the writer seeks, in all of his works, to refute all the basic claims of the systems of disbelief and utter the "last word" which will put a definite end to the assertions of infidelity.”
And you want people at FR to swallow this.
Keep up the good work.