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Examples of “Biologically impossible feats that couldn’t exist without forethought and full instant assembly, IC, systems interdependent upon each other in order to even survive” please.


513 posted on 01/05/2009 5:09:58 PM PST by DevNet (!dimensio || !solitron)
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Behe gave them in the trial- Miller deceitfully took JUST the REDUCIBLE aspects of the IC systems Behe presented and claimed that because these particular REDUCIBLE elements ‘could have’ arisen (Despite a complete lack of evidence to prove that they infact did exist or arise), then the whole system (INCLUDING the IC elements) was therefore ‘reducible- this was a deceitful biased bit of assinine argument, and the judge fell for it- Behe later fully explained that his examples were STILL Irreducible because the IRREDUCIBLE parts of the whole system could NOT have arisen naturally

There are other examples which you’ll find by doing a little research.


518 posted on 01/05/2009 5:18:31 PM PST by CottShop
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To: DevNet

you’ll find several here: http://www.arn.org/mm/mb_ic.htm


522 posted on 01/05/2009 5:22:08 PM PST by CottShop
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Something as 'simple' as cutting yourself is incredibly complex biologically- how many millions of years did it take to evolve all these factors involved in clotting?

What exactly happens when we cut ourselves?

1. A cut occurs and Hageman Factor sticks to the surface of cells near the wound. Bound Hageman Factor reacts with another enzyme called HMK to produce Activated Hageman.

2. Pre Kallikrein reacts with Activated Hageman to produce Kallikrein.

3. Hageman Factor also reacts with HMK and Kallikrein to form Activated Hageman.

4. PTA reacts with Activated Hageman and HMK to produce Activated PTA.

5. Christmas Factor reacts with Activated PTA and Convertin to produce Activated Christmas Factor.

6. Antihemophilic Factor is activated by Thrombin to produce Activated Antihemophilic Factor.

7. Stuart Factor reacts with Activated Christmas Factor and Activated Antihemophilic Factor to produce Activated Stuart Factor.

8. Proconvertin is activated by Activated Hageman Factor to produce Convertin.

9. When a cut occurs, Tissue Factor (which is only found outside of cells) is brought in near the wound where it reacts with Convertin and Stuart Factor to produce Activated Stuart Factor.

10. Proaccelerin is activated by Thrombin to produce Accelerin.

11a. GLU-Prothrombin reacts with Prothrombin Enzyme and Vitamin K to produce GLA-Prothrombin. (Note that Prothrombin cannot be activated in the GLU form so it must be formed into the GLA form. In this process ten amino acids must be changed from glutamate to gama carboxy glutamate.)

11b. GLS-Prothrombin is then able to bind to Calcium. This allows GLA-Prothrombin to stick to surfaces of cells. Only intact modified Calcium-Prothrombin Complex can bind to the cell membrane and be cleaved by Activated Stuart and Accerlerin to produce Thrombin.

12. Prothrombin-Ca (bound to cell surface) is activated by Activated Stuart to produce Thrombin.

13.Prothrombin also reacts with Activated Stuart and Accelerin to produce Thrombin. (Step 13 is much faster than step 12.)

14. Fibrinogin is activated by Thrombin to produce Fibrin. Threads of Fibrin are the final clot. However, it would be more effective if the Fibrin threads could form more cross links with each other.

15. FSF (Fibrin Stabilizing Factor) is activated by Thrombin to form Activated FSF.

16. When Fibrin reacts with Activated FSF many more cross ties are made with other Fibrin filaments to form a more effective clot. [LINK]

Yet more fingerprints of an Intelligence at work behind the scenes. When given enough of htese fingerprints as evidence, and hwen it's shown that nature couldn't be the answer, it comes a time hwen it's simply not reasonable to keep arguing that 'nature could have done it' (Despite a compelte lack of evidnece to support that claim, and worse yet, with evidence that strongly indicates it couldn't have, mounting up against the claim) 'if given enough time'

This is just one 'small' example, and incredibly, there are many factors invovled in just this one 'small' example, somethign we take for granted, but when examined, is foudn to be incredibly compelx- species are made up of many many such systems, all interdependent upon other systems and subsystems in order to function right, and yet we have a complete lack of evidence these systems 'could have' arisen naturally? Does it not bother you just how reliant upon ASSUMPTIONS and unsupported claims Macroevolution really is? Is it not important to you to take a critical OBJECTIVE look at hte claims made by macroevos? Just asking.



534 posted on 01/05/2009 5:37:16 PM PST by CottShop
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