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To: hosepipe
Are humans born as MACHINES.. only to possibly be "re-born" as spirits?

Are you directing that question to me, dearest hosepipe?

If so, my answer would be: Human beings are not born "machines" seeking to "acquire" a spirit. They are born body and spirit — that is to say, as biological beings possessing soul and reason. They are spiritual beings from the get-go, expressing as a "tension" between body and soul. To be "born again" means (among other things) that soul has taken priority over the governance of bodily existence, with all its often unreasonable demands.

Well, that's just how I think this problem through, FWIW.

1,488 posted on 01/26/2009 1:03:08 PM PST by betty boop
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To: betty boop; Alamo-Girl
[ To be "born again" means (among other things) that soul has taken priority over the governance of bodily existence, with all its often unreasonable demands. ]

Exactly.. Born again is a metaphor.. identifing identity..
Meaning do you identify with the flesh or the spirit..

The metamorphosis(evolution) from flesh to spirit.. is metaphorical I think..
Could be "the TEST" of being a human..

Could be we are spirits before we are ever born as humans.. and continue as spirits in the future realm.. The mental test of identity could be important.. How do we "service" this body and the other bodies we are charged with serveing as well.. Because human flesh requires much service.. The test of how we service those in "our kingdoms".. puts our spirits to extreme tests.. How do we husband our service?...

Identity with the flesh or spirit determines worldview..

1,497 posted on 01/26/2009 7:12:36 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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