[js1138]

You may assume they arrive at their point of view with the same level of evidence, thought and reason that you applied in coming to this conclusion.

Reason can only be applied to axioms or to evidence you believe to have been gathered by truth tellers.

It's pretty obvious from the comments posted that creationists believe scientists are frauds and liars.

It also seems that the thought of changing sides in the debate is as repugnant as the thought of changing one's sexual orientation.

From my own point of view, I participate in these debates not to convince the opposition, but to improve my understanding and to sharpen my ability to communicate my position.

[Ethan Clive Osgoode]

I participate in these debates not to convince the opposition, but to improve my understanding and to sharpen my ability to communicate my position.

It is clear that you have spent a good portion of your life improving your understanding of "metaphorical" "utter nonsense" and sharpening your ability to communicate "utter nonsense" metaphorically.

[CottShop]

[[It’s pretty obvious from the comments posted that creationists believe scientists are frauds and liars.]]

We don’t beleive all of htem are intentional frauds and liars- Some just do so because htey beleive what they beleive, and aren’t well informed abotu counter evidences that refute what they beleive- but yes, I’ve run across a great many INTENTIONALLY misleading scientific articles- sins of ommission and al lthat- Talkorigins is a prime example- chock full of blatant lies, half-truths, and sins of ommission- As well magazines like scientific American are again full of outright blatant lies, half-truths and misdirections and sins of ommission. Just got doen reading just such an article infact about hte supposed rise of RNA (apparently because Science has given up on the biologically impossible rise of DNA)- and my goodness- what a fairy tale was spun by S.A. trying to make the evidences against spontanious generation of life conform to their a priori world view

[metmom]

It's pretty obvious from the comments posted that creationists believe scientists are frauds and liars.

Not without reason. They only have themselves to blame.

Not only the frauds in archaeology in a vain attempt to put evolution beyond the shadow of any reasonable doubt, but this sort of thing as well....

Studies examine withholding of scientific data among researchers, trainees

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1565120/posts

It May Look Authentic; Here’s How to Tell It Isn’t

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1563746/posts