Posted on 12/25/2008 7:55:05 PM PST by Soliton
It's called a "strawman" argument. You can't attack the main case, so you set up one—a man made of straw instead of a real opponent—which you can attack.
I think that "suspended" is somewhat analogous to "floating." You can, however, suspend an object that is heavier than water in the tank by hanging it from a wire... thus making the terminology open to interpretation.
If they’re looking for mass/body fat/etc, then the interpretation of floating would be more likely.
Since that was the intent of the procedure, as opposed to someone having a nice swim, the people doing the procedure would know that immersion was not desirable.
I'm posting this for the benefit of the mod, though they likely won't need it.
Nice plot. You should try writing fiction for a living. Let's review the lies in your statement.
1. Taunts? I just want you to answer one question. Anything that could be described as "taunts" only came into the conversation when you accused me and tens of millions of other people of being involved in a nonexistent conspiracy to destroy the Constitution and ban astronomy and paleontology.
2. Following you from thread to thread? Wrong! I came across you in this thread and took the opportunity. You flatter yourself if you think I'm spending time tracking your movements on FR.
3. It's true trolling is forbidden here. But you may also have noted that this is a conservative site that refers to itself as "pro-God." I'm pretty sure that if someone slanders members of America's most common religion or supports the scientific community spending time getting rid of religion (still haven't cleared that one up, have you?) that falls well outside FR's support for religious expression, and it sure ain't conservative.
Whiny physician, heal thyself. This is FR. You want to have people kiss your butt for being a bigot, try DU.
I’ve already taken you through the steps, if you’re still confused, do some research on your own.
Are you still demanding to refuse to acknowledge people are looking for body fat PERCENTAGE, and they are ultimately disinterested in body volume when doing this procedure?
I count that as asserting the inability to see gravity. What do you think?
I can't "see" gravity either. Furthermore, I can't see it in a bottle sitting on a shelf.
I’ve talked to several people, at least two in bariatric settings that carry out one procedure, while I’ve talked to military recruiters about being “dropped in the tank” to measure body fat % and they describe something different; but in both cases, they said nothing about a person’s head going under water.
Point is, there’s more than one set procedure, just as there are differing applications.
Displacement of an object that will float measures weight. The displacement of a submerged object can only provide information about volume.
Which was never ever the point in the first place. The entire reason for the procedure is to get an idea of what a person’s body fat percentage is. Measuring volume is but one of the steps, the final step in the calculations is geting the body fat MASS percentage.
js would know this if he simply took the time to digest what he reads.
Why is it on your profile page if you don't agree with it? And if you don't agree with it, why do you keep pasting it into your posts?
If you want TRVTH
You really have a psychological issue with this word, "truth". You can't even write it out without mangling it.
So is anything you say about evolution true? A simple yes or no will do.
Details, details.....
Let us not forget that he has also said that Freerepublic is an anti-science forum.
[[Your continual taunts, and your following me from thread to thread with your “questions,” have crossed the line and become trolling.]]
Said hte paranoid man who apparently thinks that only he’s allowed to post in threads-
Lol- chill bill- We’ve all been pinged- as have you to htis thread- Silverback, myself and others are simply replying to your false claims and petty accusations against Creationists- there’s no conspiracy- IF you don’t want to have your posts responded to by others, then refrain from petty childish insults each and every time you post something.
The question is not the goal, but what they are measuring by immersing someone in water.
Weight can certainly be measured by floating an object and measuring the displacement, but this is not the reason for using water. A halfway decent digital scale will give weight to a fraction of an ounce without requiring a person to get wet.
The reason for using immersion is to measure volume.
I do enjoy these discussions, however. I haven't had so much fum since someone argued that 1^720 was a really big number and that a circle is not an ellipse.
You are making progress here.
Now all you have to do is admit that floating people in water is not the ususal and customary method of weighing them. The only reason water is used is to measure volume.
All you have to ask yourself is, when was the last time doctor not interested in your body fat percentage asked you to float in water so he could find your wight.
Volume isn’t the reason they’re measuring. It’s only part of the overall procedure.
It’s plain to see you’re incapable of making any progress.
As I said, the doctor isn’t interested in the volume but rather the percentage of body fat, again, it’s not like the doctor can carve the fat off of you and measure that separately and distinctly from muscle, bone, etc.
OF COURSE the question is the goal, when it's obvious no one cares about volume other than how they ultimately measure body fat PERCENTAGE with it!
Weight can certainly be measured by floating an object and measuring the displacement, but this is not the reason for using water. A halfway decent digital scale will give weight to a fraction of an ounce without requiring a person to get wet.
Then there'd be no reason to dunk someone in the tank in the first place, because NO ONE is interested in a person's volume!
Ido enjoy these discussions, however. I haven't had so much fum since someone argued that 1^720 was a really big number and that a circle is not an ellipse.
Nah, you just enjoy being obtuse while incapable of ever admitting you're wrong.
It isn't the "final cause" fer sure, but it is the reason they are immersing people in water rather than simply weighing them on a scale.
It’s not the final step though, they’re interested in more.
Why is that so difficult for you to acknowledge?
You brought water displacement up in a discussion of gravity. I don't know why you brought it up. It makes no sense.
Archimedes discovered that water immersion allows you to measure the volume of an irregular solid, such as the human body. A trivial side benefit of finding the volume of a body is that you can weigh the displaced liquid. As Swordmaker points out, if the body floats, the weight of the displaced liquid is the same as the weight of the body.
But if you are not interested in volume, it's a lot easier and less messy just to weigh the body. The reason fat analysis requires the particular methodology of immersion is that volume is needed for the formula.
Well, it is infinitely larger than zero... ;^)>
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