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To: Chief Engineer; LucyT; maggief; Protect the Bill of Rights; hoosiermama; summernite; STARWISE; ...

I believe this is new discovery.

It's yet another confirmation that Ann Dunham, known THIS time as "Mrs. Anna Obama", lived in Seattle from 1961-1962. Source: "Stanley Ann Dunham, mother of Barack Obama, graduates from Mercer Island High School in June 1960" (published Jan 22, 2009)

But here's a potentially bigger issue: Note the name SIX lines above "Obama Anna Mrs", living at 515 (B) 13th Avenue E on Capitol Hill, is a person named "Bernice Payne".

Payne, coincidentally, is the maiden name of Ann's mother, "Madelyn Lee Payne", or "Toots". As you may remember, Toots is Obama's maternal grandmother that passed away around election time 2008. Madelyn along with husband Stanley Dunham and Ann Dunham reportedly moved to Hawaii in June 1960, establishing Hawaiian residency after being in Hawaii for one full year, as Hawaiian law provides.

So who is "Bernice Payne"? Is this a relative of "Madelyn Payne" or perhaps even an an alias that "Madelyn Payne" may have used? It seems just TOO coincidental that another "Payne" would live next door to Ann Dunham and baby Obama in Seattle.

Something perhaps for the genealogists in the group...

Also, to help understand where these places are, feel free to use this: Interactive Map of the three known places Ann Dunham lived in Seattle (on MSN Live Maps)


309 posted on 02/04/2009 7:08:54 PM PST by BP2 (I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
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To: BP2; Calpernia; Fred Nerks; null and void; pissant; george76; PhilDragoo; Candor7; MeekOneGOP; ...
Thanks, BP2.

New discovery; new photo. Interactive Map, too. Check it out.

312 posted on 02/04/2009 7:36:49 PM PST by LucyT
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To: BP2; Fred Nerks

One point about the site you linked with the Ann Dunham(Anna Obama Mrs, student) apt on Capitol Hill the article says she stayed in Seattle for probably less than a year, but the author didn’t find the ChristianFaithandReason excerpt where friend Barbara Cannon Rusk mentioned that she visited Ann at the apartment on Capitol Hill after the World’s Fair was over. The World’s Fair ended October 21, 1962 so Ann was still in Seattle at the end of October. She didn’t return to Hawaii until 1963 and that date was arrived at from the lousy houses article which appeared in “The Honolulu Advertiser”. They mentioned apt 110 1427 Alexander St as where the Dunhams were living in 1963 but they were incorrect. The apartment was rented in their names but Ann and Jr actually lived there before they moved back in with Madelyn and Stanley at the home at 2277 Kamehameha Ave.(the first home the Dunhams lived in when they moved to Hawaii in 1960)

Here is the original article which was posted on FR on Jan 9/2009.
http://www.capitolhilltimes.com/main.asp?SectionID=26&SubSectionID=248&ArticleID=27447

FredNerks has a really nice picture of the Polk’s Seattle City Directory for 1961.

Madelyn has a younger sister, Arlene, but as far as I know she was never in Seattle. IIRC she taught at a University in N.C. and retired in N.C.


314 posted on 02/04/2009 7:59:48 PM PST by Chief Engineer
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To: BP2; LucyT

Excellent, BP2!!

Thanks for the update, LucyT.

Ping!


317 posted on 02/04/2009 8:07:04 PM PST by Iowan
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To: BP2

We can now assume this account is inaccurate?

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/politics/2004334057_obama08m.html

Susan Blake, another high-school classmate, said that during a brief visit in 1961, Dunham was excited about her husband’s plans to return to Kenya.

“We all had June Cleaver as our role models, and she was blazing new trails for herself,” said Blake, a former Mercer Island city councilwoman.

The marriage was brief. By 1962, Dunham had returned to Seattle as a single mother, enrolling in the UW for spring quarter and living in an apartment on Capitol Hill. But friends said she got overwhelmed and returned to her family in Hawaii, and formally divorced Obama Sr. in 1964.


329 posted on 02/04/2009 9:28:17 PM PST by maggief
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To: BP2

bump for weirdness I don’t quite understand


339 posted on 02/04/2009 10:13:20 PM PST by Yaelle
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