Posted on 12/02/2008 6:57:32 AM PST by prplhze2000
So where's the Article by which the States cede forever the right to withdraw from the Union?
Jefferson never thought they'd given it up. Hamilton either.
Oh, and btw I said "right" -- as in the Tenth Amendment.
Your problem is, the right and power is nowhere ceded in any of the seven Articles of the Constitution, but is instead reserved, with all the other powers and rights, by the Tenth article of Amendment.
Game, set, and match.
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I do find that I tend to annoy those Southron types who feel it is their God given right to post whatever nonsense they care to post without being challenged. Who feel free to say anything so long as it disparages Lincoln or the Union cause and see no need to prove what they say. And who at the end of the day really have little or no knowledge of the subject. I think I'm annoying you.
Sure is. Grade A USDA prime Southron myth.
He had flown the US flag every day to show his support for the US. He had three sons who wore the CSA Gray, but had one son who wore US blue. His grandfather had fought with George Washington and his Father had fought with Andy Jackson at the Battle of New Orleans.
He hated the Yankees every day after that day. He joined up with Gen. Roddy's CMD under Gen. Forrest and then later refused to take the oat after the War had ended. He stated that he would never be Reconstructed!
These stories and others were told to my Father and to my Mother as well. We are of Irish and Dutch ancestry and have a VERY long memory.
I have had discussions with Non-Sequitor for years and hoped that I would never see that name again. You can't discuss nothing with her(?), it's like talking to a brick wall.
I have been gone for the last four years for surgeries and recovery and am I glad to be back here at FR again.
no bugging me as I do not take the internet seriously nor do I really care what someone who I have ever met think about me or my views.
Infact I don’t care what someone think about me period unless it is my kids and that is one of the reasons why I fly the battle flag
do you spell southern wrong on purpose or this some kind of way of acting out?
As for you and your views, now come on , read through your posts to every subject, it seems you just like to argue about everything on here
well come
have had discussions with Non-Sequitor for years and hoped that I would never see that name again. You can’t discuss nothing with her(?), it’s like talking to a brick wall.
LOL I’m new and just finding out about the poster and it does seem that the poster in question just wants to argue n o matter how may times they embarrass themselves
should say welcome back
So I guess you’re not going to give us any detail on these alleged riots by Union troops, huh? Are you sure you’re not talking about the New York Draft Riots in 1863?
I'm not misspelling anything. Southron is an adjective meaning a person living in the southern region of an area. It's a term many of the more die-hard confederate fanatics use to describe themselves and their cause.
Jefferson never thought they'd given it up. Hamilton either.
Oh, and btw I said "right" -- as in the Tenth Amendment.
Your problem is, the right and power is nowhere ceded in any of the seven Articles of the Constitution, but is instead reserved, with all the other powers and rights, by the Tenth article of Amendment.
Game, set, and match
The 10th Amendment only reserves to the states those powers not prohibited by the Constitution.
Exercises of state sovereignty are prohibited bu the Constitution in Article 1, Section 10.
Therefore exercises of state sovereignty are not powers reserved to the states by the Constitution.
Nowhere in the Constitution are the prohibitions voided by a provision for secession. Being strict constructions, if we are going to consistent, we must limit ourselves to what the Constitution says, not what it doesn't say.
The Constitution, what it does say, is the supreme law of the land, not what Jefferson or Hamilton might have said.
New Hampshire can write any law they like, but it's not the supreme law of the land. If they ever believe that life in the Union has become unbearable, they can make exertions of separation but it will be without the sanction of the US Constitution.
ah thank you
I know they can and I never said it were the law of the land
I was asking about NH and a law it has or I believe it has and if someone could elaborate on it.
that is all
thank you
indeed you are correct sir/madam and am man enough to say so
I believe those new ypork riots killed over a 100 blacks
The city’s economy was completely connected to the slave and cotton economies of the southern states. New York businessmen insured and financed southern products and slaves. Bankers accepted slave property as collateral against loans. Gotham ship owners benefited from the vast shipping industry built around transporting cotton. Even newspaper editors—who benefited from Southern subscriptions—and other economic branches of New York profited greatly off of a slave economy. One New York Merchant eloquently explained his predicament to Samuel J. May, a leading abolitionist:
…We are not such fools as not to know that slavery is a great evil, a great wrong. But a great portion of the property of the Southerners is invested under its sanction; and the business of the North, as well as of the South, has become adjusted to it. There are millions upon millions of dollars due from Southerners to the merchants… the payment of which would be jeopardized by any rupture between the North and South. We cannot afford… to let you… overthrow slavery…. It is a matter of business necessity.
I believe those new ypork riots killed over a 100 blacks
The source you pulled that quote out of only says 119 killed total, and by far the majority of those were Irish rioters shot by the Union Army troops who came in to suppress them. Serious scholars who have studied the riots put the number of blacks killed at about a dozen
.The city’s economy was completely connected to the slave and cotton economies of the southern states...
All of which shows how poorly placed the south was economically, with no shipping of its own, no insurance companies, no banks capable of financing their loans...
LOL. Good one.
Here is an old post about the riots and a couple of links to the Boston and Troy draft riots. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2004778/posts?page=82#82
Post 239 should have been addressed to you. Sorry.
The import/export business of the Port of New York was reduced starting in 1861 by loss of the cotton trade and loss of some imports headed to the South by way of the NY import warehouses. Another major negative effect on NY imports was the new Morrill Tariff which boosted the cost of imports coming into the North. Talk about a self-inflicted wound by Congress!
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