Posted on 12/02/2008 6:57:32 AM PST by prplhze2000
And as did Lincoln's own private secretary, John Nicolay.
But then I've posted that text to you repeatedly, from The Outbreak of Rebellion, penned by an ardent Northerner and Unionist and devoted supporter, that so utterly exposes to modern judgment Lincoln's carefully executed commencement of the war in a way that anticipated the modern euphemism "passive aggression", and did so in bold and devious deeds, to provoke a hecatomb of consequences.
Remember: Lincoln's ultimate burden is that he killed nearly a million people in order to have things his way. Lincoln called down a megadeath war on his own people, in order to do what the Constitution said he mought not.
nah he moved from the never done anything wrong upper midwest.
good post but I feel it will be lost.
I was just told about this last night at a meeting we have.
this is the very interesting bit
and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do.
I do find it interesting that the poster would say the south are traitors and yet they were within their rights to do what they did and yet those who fought up against the British crown like revere the propagandist is not a traitor.
Nobody as heavily in the bag for Lincoln as you are, for political and sectionally bigoted reasons as you are, will ever be considered "authoritative".
As for "factual", we've seen how you treat facts, measuring them out one grain at a time, into the side of the scales that favors your prejudice, and discarding whatever doesn't serve you.
People rely on anything you post at their "factual" peril.
your posts are very informative , thank you
“The South has been running this country into the ground for decades now.”
Get real. Just as many liberal idiots are northern liberals as they have been southern. Illinois is probably one of the worst liberal States there is. You northern liberals have destroyed your manufacturing bases with unions. If the South were ever to rise again you fat couch potatoes would be push overs. In the first Civil War the north had the manufacturing. Today, the South does.
and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do.
I do find it interesting that the poster would say the south are traitors and yet they were within their rights to do what they did and yet those who fought up against the British crown like revere the propagandist is not a traitor.
Within their rights? The sovereign power, the people of the United States, agreed that those activities were not to be undertaken by the states. Article 1, Section 10 of the Constitution:
No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, or grant any Title of Nobility.
No State shall, without the Consent of the Congress, lay any Imposts or Duties on Imports or Exports, except what may be absolutely necessary for executing it's inspection Laws: and the net Produce of all Duties and Imposts, laid by any State on Imports or Exports, shall be for the Use of the Treasury of the United States; and all such Laws shall be subject to the Revision and Controul of the Congress.
No State shall, without the Consent of Congress, lay any Duty of Tonnage, keep Troops, or Ships of War in time of Peace, enter into any Agreement or Compact with another State, or with a foreign Power, or engage in War, unless actually invaded, or in such imminent Danger as will not admit of delay.
The people did not give up their right to levy war and coontract alliances, but they did decide that these powers were to be exercised at the federal level ubder the supreme law of the land, the US Constitution of 1787.
he said I called him a libeal and gave you the same quote as I got
see a pattern
not only that we have the ports, JAX,St Mary’s.Norfolk etc
we have the large cities now with technology, we have more of a population though many of those northern liberals can get the hell out taking with them homosexual activists and any other activists who want nanny laws down here.
We have the airports, land and agriculture plus lets not forget we have energy.
Never wondered why at all they move down here bringing their liberal votes with them, put down the south in every aspect to their comments like you can’t fly that flag.
Remember they said that to the south during the supposed reconstruction and yet they still are fighting the war.
I for one would lose no sleep if the north east and the upper midwest went their own way providing every liberal and their dog goes back up north
I remember reading somewhere that NH has a law on it’s books that they can still use force to succeed or something like that.
Apparently this goes back to when NH wanted their own state and away from MA back at that time.
Funny how they never wanted to be with MA back then either as like some today there do not want to be.LOL
Maybe you could shed some light on that for me please if you have some spare time.
In other words, you don't know and may well be making it up as you go along.
He’s entertaining...but does not understand the distinction between being characterized as arguing LIKE a liberal vs. BEING a liberal. The rest of his “reasoning” is just as flawed, where it exists at all.
Nonsense.
If. Reminds me of that oldie but goodie I posted earlier.
in other words use your own time to find info on what you hear or read instead of using others to do your research.
One always does better when they find the info for themselves
happy searching and good ;luck in your quest for information as one can never stop learning
I looked at the past posts and found that it is not just this topic he/she chooses to argue about but virtually every subject on here.
Sorry but you're the one making the claim. I consider myself to be pretty well read on the subject of the rebellion but I have never come across any reference to Union soldiers staging race riots in New York after the war was over. Or anywhere else for that matter. Quite naturally I would expect you to be able to provide some details. Quite clearly you are unable to. Hence the logical conclusion that you're either mistaken or making it up. Which is it?
Absolutely not.
False dichotomy. Must be Non-Sequitur posting.
Oh, my goodness! It is!
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