AndyJackson said
"The only thing you can rely on are the documents actually filed with the court, all of which you can find at obamacrimes.com"r9etb replied
"LOL -- speaking from personal experience, I'm not even sure about that.... I'm peripherally involved with a lawsuit in which one side has committed actual perjury with their filings; not once, but many times.
I think you're both right. The only thing you can rely on to determine Berg's actual claims are his papers. Not his press releases, not his public interviews, but what he says in his papers. R9etb is right, though, that just because something is alleged in a court filing does not mean that it is true. (Such as the "Canadian Birth Certificate claim in Berg's first complaint, or his Illinois Bar claim that he's still making even after Jeff Schreiber proved that one wrong.)
moopie1 said
"Obama’s Certificate of Citizenship that he received when he returned from Indonesia, as if it exists it would indicate that Obama was “naturalized” I think Peerless already dealt with this, but...
1. This statement assumes that a Certificate of Citizenship exists.
2. This assumption, that a Certificate of Citizenship exists, assumes that one was needed.
3. This assumption, that a Certificate of Citizenship was needed, assumes that Berg has read the law correctly.
As Peerless pointed out,
Did Obama Become an Indonesian Citizen when His Mother, Ann Durham, married Lolo Soetoro, and moved to Indonesia?, and the law cited/sourced there, indicates that Berg's reading is wrong. There are other posts at
That site that indicates Berg's reading of the law on multiple issues is wrong.
I don't know if Peerless is a Commie or a DNC operative or an Anarchist, but I think he's been pretty "spot-on" in his analysis of Berg's claims. I understand that the author of the
Whats Your Evidence site is an Obama supporter, per Polarik.
And ..... If we are going to discount a person because of his politics, we'd have to discount everything that this 9/11 Truther Berg says too. I just don't understand that "mental whiplash" sort of thinking.
rightwingextremist1776 said
"What is absolutely amazing about this is he wouldn’t qualify for a drivers license without one!"
Very good point. We know that Obama had his drivers' license at least by the time he went to Harvard -- and failed to pay a dozen (or more?) parking tickets while there. We know that he's driven since, and so it's a safe assumption that he got a license in Illinois. How did he get that? Doesn't it seem more likely than not that he had the required documentation, or wouldn’t have been able to get a license?
Can we go back to focusing on things that matter yet?