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To: ozzymandus
Zhukov has been wildly over-rated by postwar historians swallowing Soviet propaganda.

Zhukov is indeed extremely overrated. Had he commanded Patton's troops or Montgomery's troops he would have been an abject failure.

However, The Bulge and the Huertgen Forest are battles that the Soviets would have won much more quickly than the Allies would have.

The Allies in West were fighting maybe 20% of the Wehrmacht. The Soviets in the East were fighting 80% of the Wehrmacht.

At the Bulge, the Allies lost 20,000 men killed in 40 days. At Huertgen Forest, the Allies lost about 15,000 killed in 90 days.

In the 20 days of the Vistula-Oder Offensive, the Soviets lost 377,000 killed.

In the East Prussian Offensive the Soviets lost 125,000 killed in January.

In the West, the Allies refused to send soldiers into minefields and carefully cleared them. The Allies refused to slaughter civilians wholesale and flatten their homes, so the Wehrmacht had plenty of hiding places and bases of local supplies. The Allies refused to allow units that had been surrounded by the enemy to be destroyed, but assisted them. The Allies softened up every target extensively beforehand with artillery and air support before proceeding.

The Soviets cleared minefields by force-marching penal battalions across them. They sighted artillery by sending penal battalions on suicide charges of entrenched positions. They slaughtered civilians and destroyed civilian homes wherever they went, a scorched earth policy that prevented Wehrmacht units from catching their breath or resupplying.

Zhukov won the Vistula-Oder Offensive in less than three weeks not because he was a brilliant tactician, but because he was willing to sacrifice half a million lives if necessary.

No US commander was willing to sacrifice a tenth of that number in a single engagement. Nor was any US commander willing to line up civilians in every town his army encountered and shoot them or put them to slave labor a thousand miles from their homes. Nor was any US commander willing to promise his soldiers that they could rape any woman they found and steal anything they could carry as a prize for doing their duty.

35 posted on 09/17/2008 12:47:13 PM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who like to be called Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: wideawake

Totally agree, and you even left out a couple of points. Allied soldiers were not forced into combat at gunpoint, or given alcohol to make them “brave”, and unlike the Red Army, one million Allied troops did not desert to join the Wehrmacht. Those who keep directly equating the Soviets and the Nazis are ignprant of history.


39 posted on 09/17/2008 2:05:17 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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