Posted on 08/22/2008 7:51:31 PM PDT by Polarik
Seems that these Annenburg ‘folks’ are really busy covering up for Obama in the William Ayers links too.
http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/can-obama-survive-the-annenberg-cover-up/
Lying, hiding facts, deceiving the public is melodrama?
Your favorite candidate Obama has a problem with the virtue of truthfulness. Oh lets see now. Obama has not release his medical records. Hides his Illionis state records. What, didn't even have a State Senate appointment book? So where's Obama's college thesis? Refuses to releases his College transcripts. Who were Obama's law practice clients?
Obama has lied about the Selma March that brought his parents together to procreate little Jr Obama. Caught and then admitted to lying about voting against the "Born-Alive Infants Protection Act" in the Illionis State Senate. Obama lied about his great uncle liberating the Jews in Auschwitz concentration camp. Obama lied that the Kennedy Administration or the Kennedy family provided funding that airlifted Obama Sr. to the United States so he could attend college. Here is the truth: Obama displays a systematic pattern of lying.
And what unbiased reporter(s) have shown up at Obama's Chicago campaign headquarters (where the certificate is supposedly kept) and asked to inspect the document(s) in question but have been refused or otherwise turned away?
Are you aware of any? I'm not.
As I recall, reporter(s) have asked Obama to physically inspect his COLB where Obama has refused them.
Annenberg.org "FactCheck" and the DailyKos are Democrat partisans that are in Obama camp. These guys do not practice unbiased objectivity. Instead of having reporters physically inspect Obama's COLB, which is good, he should sign a release to open all his Hawaiian birth records to professional media outlets... but Obama just loves to hide his past.
And what's this "your side" stuff? It has absolutely nothing to do with any "sides." It's called "politics."
You are voting for Obama - aren't you?
Obama better not be caught lying about his birth because it has the potential to take all the Dems down a notch or two running in elections, for your Dem party's sake.
It's pretty shoddy work for people who call themselves "fact checkers" at factcheck.org cannot get their camera to tell the correct time.
You work has proven no less than one undeniable fact: The Obama campaign published a forged COLB on their “Fight the Smears” site. (and for the hundredth time - why and what is he hiding???)
Koyaan - whatever Factcheck is trying to undo with the latest “real” Obama COLB just cannot be treated with any credibility whatsoever. If they faked it once, there is no doubt that they are capable of trying to do a better job of covering their hind ends with a better “fake”.
Phil Berg may be a loony Clinton supporter, but he certainly makes one, very powerful point in one of his latest interviews. To quote his exact words:
“Sen. Obama really owes it to everyone to confront this. He should threaten me. “Berg,” he should say, “here are the documents and, if you do not withdraw the suit, I will sue you.” Right now, he has no basis to sue me. If he does have the documents, he should show them, and I’ll walk away. I’ll withdraw the case. But, again, he must show me a certified vault copy of his birth certificate and must show me a certified copy of the oath of allegiance taken between the time he was 19 to 21 at a Consulate, U.S. Embassy or the like. If those documents can be presented, again, I’m out of here. But I don’t think he can, I don’t think he will, and I think it is a total disgrace on his part.”
For the love of God, Allah, or who or whatever the hell Obama may worship, JUST RELEASE A GENUINE, CERTIFIED VAULT COPY OF THE REAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE(s) AND STOP PLAYING STUPID GAMES WITH THESE COLB'S AND GET THIS CRAP OVER WITH! Because it ain't going away until this happens.
Ok. Who? What reporter(s)?
You are voting for Obama - aren't you?
No. Why would you make such an assumption?
Obama better not be caught lying about his birth because it has the potential to take all the Dems down a notch or two running in elections, for your Dem party's sake.
My party's sake? Um, no. I have no party affiliation. I think political parties (at least the Democratic and Republican parties) are rather like labor unions. They once served a useful purpose, but anymore, they only serve themselves to the detriment of those they're claiming to represent.
So that's two erroneous assumptions on your part so far.
Care to try for three? ;)
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Ok, fine. Now that you've got that out of your system, what do you have to say about photos themselves? I mean, the photographs are what they are regardless of the date in the camera.
k
I've yet to see any credible evidence that it was faked the first time.
I will say however that in spite of my being critical of the so-called "analysis" showing it to be fake, I have had one lingering question about the Obama COLB. And that was the border pattern. It was unlike any of the two other border patterns that were known to exist.
And I must thank Polarik for finally putting that one nagging question I had to rest. He did so by way of the first image he shows in his post. In that image, he shows another COLB which has the same border pattern as the Obama COLB.
And speaking of that image, I would like to address what Polarik claims it reveals.
To wit:
Furthermore, the two vertical borders on each side of the FactCheck COLB image were not drawn as long, parallel rectangles, but as divergent ones! When comparing them to real 2007 borders, the border on the left side went from being narrow at the base to being wider at the top. Conversely, the border on the left side went from being wider at the base to being narrower at the top. These disparities show up when the FactCheck COLB is made semi-transparent and laid on top of a genuine 2007 COLB image (as shown below).
I assume he meant left side and right side instead of left side and left side. However in any case, this is absolutely incorrect. The two vertical sides of the border in the FactCheck image are not divergent.
They only appear at first glance to be divergent due to the underlying border of the "new 2007 COLB" being skewed counterclockwise. The width of the border in the FactCheck image is the same at the bottom as it is at the top. There is no divergence.
So now the question is whether this image was produced due to laziness or incompetence, or was it done in order to intentionally mislead readers into believing something about the FactCheck border which simply wasn't true?
Given what Polarik had said on my blog back around mid-August regarding deskewing borders before comparing them, the latter would seem to be the case here.
Please remember to deskew them counter-clockwise...
You didn’t deskew the borders.
So why didn't Polarik deskew the borders in this instance? It seems rather obvious that he didn't do this because it would have shown a much better match between the FactCheck image and the "new 2007 COLB" than he wanted to portray to readers here.
And finally I'll note once again that Polarik still hasn't offered an explanation as to why he claimed that the date stamp is never placed above the signature stamp on any existing COLBs when he knew this wasn't true.
Do any of you reading this actually care whether or not what Polarik claims is true? Or do you unquestioningly accept that it is true because it's something you want to be true?
As I said previously, I'm neither a Democrat nor will I be voting for Obama. But if you're going to make a case against Obama, or anyone else for that matter, it should be based on fact, and not lies, misrepresentations or fabrications. Otherwise, you'll find yourself showing up at a gunfight without so much as a pea shooter.
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Actually, it is you who ignored the last thing I put on my post..the part about "check back for updates."
So, if you go back, you will se my updates.
And, also on one of the FactCheck threads here.
Nice try.
Posted on Sunday, August 31, 2008 2:30:50 PM by Polarik
I revisited the "Born in the U.S.A." story that FactCheck produced which shows digital photos of OBama's alleged genuine paper birth certificate, or COLB, taken in a number of angles.
I found something new: A note that the story had been "updated August 26."
Update, August 26: We received responses to some of our questions from the Hawaii Department of Health. They couldn't tell us anything about their security paper, but they did answer another frequently-raised question: why is Obama's father's race listed as "African"? Kurt Tsue at the DOH told us that father's race and mother's race are supplied by the parents, and that "we accept what the parents self identify themselves to be." We consider it reasonable to believe that Barack Obama, Sr., would have thought of and reported himself as "African." It's certainly not the slam dunk some readers have made it out to be.
According to the Director of Vital Records, with whom I spoke about 10 weeks ago, said that they replaced "NEGRO" with "BLACK," even if NEGRO was on the original birth certificate and the person requesting the COLB put down NEGRO on the application form. So, either this Kurt guy doesn't know what Vital Records do, or doesn't want to disclose this information, or FactCheck is misrepresenting what he said.
OHSM does not simply "accept what the parents self identify themselves to be."If the father (or the mother) said that the father's race was NEGRO, Vital Statistics would not list it as NEGRO, but BLACK. They report a person's current birth record in the context of the today's laws and practices.
Unfortunately, he declined to answer my specific question about "AFRICAN," because then he knew I was searching for answers to Obama's COLB, and said that he cannot give out personal information on someone's birth record.
Dozens of people were calling them daily and asking the same question, and maybe, Kurt was simply following departmental directives regarding BHO's COLB.
Now, it's the second part of Kurt's statement, as reported by FactCheck, that raised my eyebrows:
When we asked about the security borders, which look different from some other examples of Hawaii certifications of live birth, Kurt said "The borders are generated each time a certified copy is printed. A citation located on the bottom left hand corner of the certificate indicates which date the form was revised.
Was this OHSM's version of "Name, Rank, and Serial Number?" or FactCheck's imagination talking? Yes, we all know that the borders are generated each time a NOT-YET-CERTIFIED copy is printed along with everything else printed inside the borders. We also know that there has been only one form in use for almost seven years.
Now, why didn't Kurt simply say that the security borders were periodically changed since November 2001 until now? Why not confirm what FactCheck already knows (or should know?)
Kurt continues:
" He also confirmed that the information in the short form birth certificate is sufficient to prove citizenship for "all reasonable purposes."
Trust me. "Reasonable" is not part of the vocabulary for the most screwed-up federal agency in America, namely USCIS, or United States Citizenship and Immigration Services. USCIS demands a whole list of documents to determine citizenship, of which proof of birth is but one of them.
Why is it that, when someone like you or me, applies for work in a federal agency who work with sensitive data, are required to have extensive and thorough background checks performed even before being considered to be qualified to work there. Do how is it that someone, like Obama, whose background has not subjected to the same and even more extensive levels of investigation, can become an applicant for the highest federal position in the Country?
It boogles the mind.
One final note:
Now,"What's up with FactCheck's comment that they did not learn anything about the paper the COLB is printed on?"
That strikes me as odd, seeing as how they allegedly had the same paper in their hot, little hands?
Posted by Polarik on Saturday, September 20, 2008 12:42:42 PM
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